Haiyan Zhuang banned for 1-3 years

[Kirjava]

Give this a read

I think 1 year is very harsh, considering he didn't cheat - just went a bit crazy. I could understand a year if this wasn't the first time he'd been punished, but maaan. A year is a very long time. Enough to put someone off competing. Seems counter productive to me.

This is assuming he'll give a public apology. If he doesn't, I can see him really going for the CCA thing. Gotta do something in 3 years

 

[Toad]

I think it's good that he is getting punished because nobody likes a meany

But I do agree, 1 year is a long time... Oh well, can't be changed now I guess.

 

[nitrocan]

Rule 2k3: Mr. Zhuang has repeatedly threatened physical violence against WCA delegates and competition organizers in an effort to coerce them into meeting his demands.

What? lol

 

[RCTACameron]

I really hope that he doesn't rebel against the WCA and make Chinese cubers part of the CCA instead...

That would just cause friction between them, and mean that some WRs wouldn't be true.

 

[Faz]

I really hope that he doesn't rebel against the WCA and make Chinese cubers part of the CCA instead...

That would just cause friction between them, and mean that some WRs wouldn't be true.

Huh?

Also, I agree with Kirjava, 1 year is pretty harsh. I was expecting something more along the lines of a 3 month suspension.

 

[jiggy]

Wow, 1 year does seem a bit steep! On the other hand, I'm sure the WCA looked at all of the facts and made an informed decision. I don't have time to read at the moment, but I'll give it a look over later.

But yeah, I have no doubt at all now that the CCA will become a big thing over this year. Perhaps we'll never see Haiyan at a WCA comp again?

 

[RCTACameron]

I really hope that he doesn't rebel against the WCA and make Chinese cubers part of the CCA instead...

That would just cause friction between them, and mean that some WRs wouldn't be true.

Huh?

Also, I agree with Kirjava, 1 year is pretty harsh. I was expecting something more along the lines of a 3 month suspension.

I mean that if there was a Chinese cuber only part of the CCA, who got a WR, the WCA wouldn't acknowledge it as a WR, when it is.

Sorry, I should have elaborated on that.

 

[Kirjava]

I just remembered.

Shane Rowland had a solve retroactivly DNF'd for cheating on it, but never got any sort of punishment.

...what?

 

[PhillipEspinoza]

He'll be PISSED when he reads this. I wouldn't wanna be in the same room as him when he finds this out. I imagine that Hitler video.

I personally think it's ridiculous, and I'm interested to see what these threats of physical violence are. I mean, I think 3 years would be suitable if he actually carried through with those threats but I wonder how serious they were.

What if he pulls a Matyas and still has WR 3 years later anyway.

 

[r_517]

I really hope that he doesn't rebel against the WCA and make Chinese cubers part of the CCA instead...

That would just cause friction between them, and mean that some WRs wouldn't be true.

Huh?

Also, I agree with Kirjava, 1 year is pretty harsh. I was expecting something more along the lines of a 3 month suspension.

check my fb

 

[Tim Major]

But yeah, I have no doubt at all now that the CCA will become a big thing over this year. Perhaps we'll never see Haiyan at a WCA comp again?

How do we know that everyone will follow him? Even if they do, well... I don't see the CCA becoming too big.

Spoiler

[20:04] <Tim_Major|dinner> [19:37] <Kirjava> "Mr. Zhuang will not be able to compete in WCA events for three years from September 1, 2010. Issuing the above noted apology before October 1, 2010 will reduce the term of the ban by two years."
[20:04] <Tim_Major|dinner> WUT
[20:04] <Tim_Major|dinner> :'(
[20:05] <aronpm> why so sad
[20:05] <Tim_Major|dinner> who cares if he's a dick head
[20:05] <Kirjava> uhm
[20:05] <Kirjava> WCA does
[20:05] <aronpm> the WCA does obviously
[20:05] <Tim_Major|dinner> he's an amazing cuber, I wanna see him compete sooner
[20:05] <Kirjava> he shouldn't be able to be a dick
[20:05] <Tim_Major|dinner>
[20:05] <aronpm> also everyone who he was a dick to?
[20:05] *** Tim_Major|dinner is now known as Tim_Major
[20:05] <aronpm> and people who care about people not being dicks?
[20:05] <Tim_Major> but 3 years...
[20:05] <Kirjava> Tim_Major|dinner: his cubing ability has nothing to do with it
[20:06] <CameronH> I need help with roux on sq1. I cant seem to do L/R edges?
[20:06] <Tim_Major> Kirjava: but it seems harsh that he would get the same amount of years as Matyas
[20:06] <Kirjava> CameronH: M2 and U perm
[20:06] <Kirjava> Tim_Major: indeed
[20:06] <aronpm> Tim_Major: it's a long time yeah, but I support the WCA's decision to suspend him
[20:07] <aronpm> althought not for that length of time
[20:07] <Tim_Major> 1/2 a year
[20:07] <Tim_Major> I would be happy with
[20:07] <Tim_Major> then again
[20:07] <Tim_Major> we don't know the full story
[20:07] <Tim_Major> neccesarily*
[20:07] <aronpm> I would say 1 year, down to 3 months with apology
[20:07] <CameronH> Ya thanks Kirjava im learning from an old post of yours. Just realised what i was doing wrong
[20:08] <Tim_Major> do you guize mind if I copy paste some of this?
[20:09] <aronpm> where are you pasting it?
[20:09] <Tim_Major> the thread
[20:09] <aronpm> uh go ahead

Remember, we don't know exactly what was said/done by Haiyan, we only know bits. It's hard to comment on the fairness of this sentence, when we don't know the full story.

Haiyan, if you read this, (I realised you do browse these forums) I really hope, after the punishment is finished, you keep cubing, and attending WCA competitions.

I find this way too harsh, but as I have said already, I can't really comment.

Edit: "Given the lack of cooperation by competitor 2008ZHUA01, his direct attempts at manipulating the investigation by the IAC, his tampering of witnesses during the investigation by the IAC, his threats of violence, and his general disruptiveness and selfish behaivor, the WCA is putting forth the following actions:"
That completely changes my view. Still a bit harsh, but why would he do this? This would just make his case worse.

 

[PhillipEspinoza]

I really hope that he doesn't rebel against the WCA and make Chinese cubers part of the CCA instead...

That would just cause friction between them, and mean that some WRs wouldn't be true.

Huh?

Also, I agree with Kirjava, 1 year is pretty harsh. I was expecting something more along the lines of a 3 month suspension.

check my fb

"Haiyan Zhuang got banned for 3 years. (He just promised he would never apologize to anyone.) Actually whether 1 year or 3 years makes no difference, coz he had established China Cube Association (http://zkx0h1.chinaw3.com/) and is persuading China Sports Administration to make WCA illegal in China."

 

[nck]

This is pretty ridiculous IMO.

He will just be even more pissed and further refuse to cooperate with the WCA and stuff....we might very possibly never see him again even after the 1 year suspension.

I don't really care now about what had happened between Haiyan and the WCA, all I know is that he had been such an inspiring figure in the BLD event. I would hate to see him go.

 

[r_517]

...

just wanna say, your fb link doesn't exist

 

[onionhoney]

I am not surprised by this at all. To tell the truth he deserves it.

 

[aronpm]

I really hope that he doesn't rebel against the WCA and make Chinese cubers part of the CCA instead...

That would just cause friction between them, and mean that some WRs wouldn't be true.

Huh?

Also, I agree with Kirjava, 1 year is pretty harsh. I was expecting something more along the lines of a 3 month suspension.

check my fb

:rolleyes:

Hopefully the CSA won't make WCA illegal in China, I don't think anyone (except Haiyan and his followers) would like to see Chinese competitors restricted from competing.

 

[Faz]

Wtf I feel sorry for the Chinese competitors wanting to compete in wca comps.

 

[nitrocan]

I really hope that he doesn't rebel against the WCA and make Chinese cubers part of the CCA instead...

That would just cause friction between them, and mean that some WRs wouldn't be true.

Huh?

Also, I agree with Kirjava, 1 year is pretty harsh. I was expecting something more along the lines of a 3 month suspension.

check my fb

"Haiyan Zhuang got banned for 3 years. (He just promised he would never apologize to anyone.) Actually whether 1 year or 3 years makes no difference, coz he had established China Cube Association (http://zkx0h1.chinaw3.com/) and is persuading China Sports Administration to make WCA illegal in China."

How exactly can he make WCA illegal in China? And why would Chinese cubers want to compete in a league where only national records can be set?

 

[RCTACameron]

I really hope that he doesn't rebel against the WCA and make Chinese cubers part of the CCA instead...

That would just cause friction between them, and mean that some WRs wouldn't be true.

Huh?

Also, I agree with Kirjava, 1 year is pretty harsh. I was expecting something more along the lines of a 3 month suspension.

check my fb

"Haiyan Zhuang got banned for 3 years. (He just promised he would never apologize to anyone.) Actually whether 1 year or 3 years makes no difference, coz he had established China Cube Association (http://zkx0h1.chinaw3.com/) and is persuading China Sports Administration to make WCA illegal in China."

I doubt he will get very far...

But, if somehow the WCA was illegal in China, that would change international speedcubing forever...

 

[Kirjava]

I thought this length of time would lead to getting the CCA up and running properly. I can't help but think a better compromise would be available.

This divide is bad news.