[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

[jms_gears1]

Ha inconsistency FTW, but these are my first timed ZZ solves ever so not toooo bad riet?

Statistics for 04-30-2010 19:40:14

Average: 35.31
Standard Deviation: 5.39
Best Time: 25.95
Worst Time: 41.43
Individual Times:
1. (25.95) R D' U F D U L2 U' F2 D2 U' B2 F2 D' U B' L R2 B F D L' R F2 D2
2. (41.43) L' F2 L2 R U2 L' B F' R D2 L2 D' U2 L D L2 U R B L2 D B' F2 D' F'
3. 40.98 D U2 R' D' L2 R B2 F D2 B F' L' R U' R2 B L R2 B2 F U' L' R B2 R2
4. 36.88 B F2 L2 D2 U L' R2 U B2 F2 L B2 L' D U R2 B2 D F2 U2 R2 B' R2 U' B
5. 28.06 D L R D B' F2 U L2 R' D' L R' B' F R2 U2 B R D' U L' F' R' D R

 

[jms_gears1]

ZZ EOLine is one of those things you have to tinker around with and then it will suddenly hit you and youll be all liek ohhhhhh dats how den.

This. EO is a hard concept to get at first, but once you get it, you just get it.

exactly lol.

 

[Innocence]

Yay! first avg of 12! (official inspection) 30.67!
28.93, 30.67, 20.26, 28.39, 21.25, 28.88, 25.72, 39.53, 31.61, 36.89, 37.69, 38.22

Spoiler

solves: 12 | DNFs: 0 | penalties: 0 | session time: 52:04

best avg5: 25.12 | best: 20.26 | worst: 28.88 | std: 11.7%
best avg12: 30.83 | best: 20.26 | worst: 39.53 | std: 16.9%
session avg: 30.67 | best: 20.26 | worst: 39.53 | std: 20.1%

current avg5: 37.60 | best: 31.61 | worst: 39.53 | std: 1.5%
current avg12: 30.83 | best: 20.26 | worst: 39.53 | std: 16.9%

Lawl, the 36~38, I was staring at the cube for another 10 seconds to do the EOLine. I suck...

Lol, that's better than my first average of 12...35.xx at the 20 second race thingy. I've improved a lot since then though, I'd better do another one.

 

[koreancuber]

Sub-30 using ZZ in 2 days. Good or bad?

 

[miniGOINGS]

Sub-30 using ZZ in 2 days. Good or bad?

Well, I was doing better.

 

[koreancuber]

Sub-30 using ZZ in 2 days. Good or bad?

Well, I was doing better.

lol, my pb is 17.xx seconds. How about yours?

 

[miniGOINGS]

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=273384#post273384

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=281167#post281167

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=284979#post284979

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=284982#post284982

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?p=311930#post311930

 

[a small kitten]

Anyone use ZZ for OH? lol

 

[vcuber13]

Anyone use ZZ for OH? lol

I'm switching to ZZ from CFOP since there is almost no cube rotations and regrips for the F2L part.

 

[Sir E Brum]

Anyone use ZZ for OH? lol

I do. F2L is so easy lol. EOLine requires a lot of work though.

 

[Cride5]

You can add my name to the list. I've been using ZZ exclusively since about June 2009. I have recently finished learning ZZLL and I only have a few bad algorithms to relearn but otherwise I am pleased with my progress. My best official time with ZZ is 12.28--I'd be interested to see how this compares to some other ZZ users.

How are you finding Phasing/ZZLL, do you know how long your LL takes in total?

I see you have a sub-15 official average - you must be up there with the best ZZ'ers The fastest I've heard of (unofficially) was by Escher, and I think the average was something like 12.xx ... but afaik ZZ isn't actually his main method. My official average is 24.35, and my unofficial average of 12 is: 18.06

@ koreancuber - if you have the time, it might be an idea to edit folk's averages into the first post..

Sub-30 using ZZ in 2 days. Good or bad?

I think it really depends on your previous experience. It took me over 5-months to get sub-30, but then Escher probably got sub-15 in no more than a few hours.

 

[Cride5]

My problem is EO. I just can't get it.

Which part are you having trouble with, EO detection or solving?

 

[James]

You can add my name to the list. I've been using ZZ exclusively since about June 2009. I have recently finished learning ZZLL and I only have a few bad algorithms to relearn but otherwise I am pleased with my progress. My best official time with ZZ is 12.28--I'd be interested to see how this compares to some other ZZ users.

How are you finding Phasing/ZZLL, do you know how long your LL takes in total?

I just did an average of 12 using cTimer with 2 steps--one for the F2L and one for the LL. The LL average was 3.91 (the session average was 15.83, which is pretty normal for me).

I would say phasing, with recognition, probably takes me about one second or a bit more. I am working on generating algorithms for an "extended phasing" system where I would recognize phasing before pairing up the last CE pair and then use an algorithm that would pair up, insert, and phase LL edges (I think there would be 63 algs, but I'm not sure).


Overall, I am really pleased with ZZ-b, and I am very glad I learned it. I would recommend anyone learning ZZ to look into it.

 

[koreancuber]

I get how EOLine's move count is around 6.1 moves, but I just want to know how many seconds is considered a fast EO? Line? EOLine?

 

[Athefre]

1.5

 

[RyanO]

Out of curiosity, how many of you are actually faster with ZZ/ZB than another method?

 

[Cride5]

Out of curiosity, how many of you are actually faster with ZZ/ZB than another method?

I'm pretty slow at anything other than ZZ My fastest after ZZ is probably Fridrich and I think the average is somewhere around 35 sec. Can't do any solves just now, but will post a CFOP avg later on...

I just did an average of 12 using cTimer with 2 steps--one for the F2L and one for the LL. The LL average was 3.91 (the session average was 15.83, which is pretty normal for me).

I would say phasing, with recognition, probably takes me about one second or a bit more. I am working on generating algorithms for an "extended phasing" system where I would recognize phasing before pairing up the last CE pair and then use an algorithm that would pair up, insert, and phase LL edges (I think there would be 63 algs, but I'm not sure).

So your LL is < 25% of your total solve... Hmm, I'm currently using about 78% OCLL, 20% COLL and 2% ZBLL and my LL takes 29% of the total solve-time. I think I should probably invest some time into the LL..

 

[iasimp1997]

You can count me in. Just switched, working on F2L. For some reason my ZZF2L requires cube rotations. I use EO+Line, no EOline. Help?

 

[Ashmnafa]

You can count me in. Just switched, working on F2L. For some reason my ZZF2L requires cube rotations. I use EO+Line, no EOline. Help?

Do you use F or B moves while placing the line pieces?

 

[Sir E Brum]

Out of curiosity, how many of you are actually faster with ZZ/ZB than another method?

ZZ is my fastest by a few seconds over CFOP.