Method Development Competition - August 2020

[LukasCubes]

Yes, but not very soon. Maybe in a few months. I want to keep it interesting.

ok thx, let me know 7 days before the tournament starts so i can try to find a team. I want to enter the next one.

 

[Athefre]

Ok! I'll probably have it so that there is a longer amount of time from when the announcement is made to when the competition actually starts. This is to give people more time to form teams.

 

[mukerflap]

Awesome! Congratulations to the winners
One idea for future method competitions is to include restrictions to make each individual comp unique—maybe something like the most advanced version of the method must have less than 100 algorithms, or the number of steps must be less than 5.

100 algs isnt much

 

[OreKehStrah]

I suggest that you have two voting systems.
A community one like you did, and have a panel of judges of well respected and informed members of the community.

This could give a more interesting perspective on how the community as a whole vs more experience/influential members view new ideas

 

[Athefre]

I suggest that you have two voting systems.
A community one like you did, and have a panel of judges of well respected and informed members of the community.

This could give a more interesting perspective on how the community as a whole vs more experience/influential members view new ideas

So like the weighted voting system that I posted in post #58? Using that, after the end of the competition I would show how the community voted and how the judges voted. Or do you mean have the community and the judges be completely separate? If separate, how do you suggest that a winner is determined?

 

[Hazel]

100 algs isnt much

Exactly! It isn't much, so it would be interesting to see an influx of methods that stay at or under this count.
(However, it isn't that small. Both Roux and base CFOP stay well under 100)

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

Exactly! It isn't much, so it would be interesting to see an influx of methods that stay at or under this count.
(However, it isn't that small. Both Roux and base CFOP stay well under 100)

I mean, TECHNICALLY, using advanced f2l counts as algs, but should we ignore stuff like that?

 

[CrispyCubing]

I mean, TECHNICALLY, using advanced f2l counts as algs, but should we ignore stuff like that?

Both Roux and base CFOP stay well under 100)

I assume you would take the minimum number of algs required so you wouldn't count stuff like F2L algs or ZBLL.

But this does raise the question (Assuming an alg limit): Couldn't you get around a limit by using one alg multiple times? An example would be using sune for all cross oriented OLLs. The alternative would be to count the number of cases, but that could be hard to judge/regulate.

 

[Hazel]

I assume you would take the minimum number of algs required so you wouldn't count stuff like F2L algs or ZBLL.

But this does raise the question (Assuming an alg limit): Couldn't you get around a limit by using one alg multiple times? An example would be using sune for all cross oriented OLLs. The alternative would be to count the number of cases, but that could be hard to judge/regulate.

You could get around the limit this way, but it would impact how good the method is.

 

[TheSlykrCubr]

hahaahha im genning TEG-1 Algorithms for fun im wierd

Edit: ive done 8 and i've been at it for like 30 minutes

 

[OreKehStrah]

So like the weighted voting system that I posted in post #58? Using that, after the end of the competition I would show how the community voted and how the judges voted. Or do you mean have the community and the judges be completely separate? If separate, how do you suggest that a winner is determined?

I was thinking separately so that way we could see what the community as a whole would say the winner is and what the judge panel would choose, then we could discuss why each group ended up with their result. It would be an interesting way to see how the community as a whole views and critiques new ideas

 

[Athefre]

I was thinking separately so that way we could see what the community as a whole would say the winner is and what the judge panel would choose, then we could discuss why each group ended up with their result. It would be an interesting way to see how the community as a whole views and critiques new ideas

So potentially have two winners? Or do you have an idea for how to decide a winner between the community vote and the judges' vote?

 

[OreKehStrah]

So potentially have two winners? Or do you have an idea for how to decide a winner between the community vote and the judges' vote?

I’d say two winners and then we can analyze how each group came to their decision on the winner

 

[Athefre]

I’d say two winners and then we can analyze how each group came to their decision on the winner

Ok. I'll think about it and discuss it with the teams that just completed. They may be able to express how they would feel about there possibly being two winners. My initial reaction is that I wouldn't like it as a competitor because, if I won, I would want it to be a clear win. I wouldn't want there to be one side saying "You may have won the community vote, but my team won what matters - the judge vote!" On either side it wouldn't feel as special to have won.

I think I like either the way it was done this time or a weighted system. If the weighted system, then I would provide the two additional charts at the end. Community Vote and Judge Vote.

 

[EngiNerdBrian]

This is a cool comp and a great thread. I hope to see more content like this on the forums. It was fun reading through the methods and getting a new perspective on solving the cube. I look forward to trying out all the methods more in casual solves.

 

[Cuberstache]

Just something I noticed about this yellow bird solve (the one they said was bad)

R B' L2 D2 B' F' D2 R2 L' F' U2 B D' U B' D2 U'

z2
U2 L2 B' L' B U B //222 (7/7)
R' F U2 R' F2 U2 R' F R F //p223 (10/17)
R U R' U2 R2 F R2 F' //br (8/25)
U2 R' F R F' U2 R U R' U2 F' //f2l (11/36)
U2 S' F R U R' U' F' U S //oll (10/46)
R U R' U R' U' R2 U' R' U R' U R U //pll (14/60)
U2 R U' R2' F R F2' // F2L (7/32)
U R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F // LL (15/47)

Not as bad as you thought
I missed the voting period but I would have voted for yellow bird, it seems pretty awesome.

 

[JKS]

I have a really great method that I can solve with almost as fast as cfop even though I learned it in one day however I don't have time to make an entire doc about it. will the future competitions have 3x3 again?

 

[Owen Morrison]

I have a really great method that I can solve with almost as fast as cfop even though I learned it in one day however I don't have time to make an entire doc about it. will the future competitions have 3x3 again?

What are the steps in your method?

 

[JKS]

Nevermind I found out that it was already invented