[Help Thread] ZBLL Discussion and Help

[TMarshall]

I'm going to be finishing up the U set today. I already know full t set also, so here's my question: what should I learn/do next? I could practice recognition until I get decent at it, learn the L, pi, or H set next. Also, I could learn something completely different like ollcp or zbls. Also, do you guys think zbls could be worth it for cfop? Any input will be appreciated.

 

[OLLiver]

I'm going to be finishing up the U set today. I already know full t set also, so here's my question: what should I learn/do next? I could practice recognition until I get decent at it, learn the L, pi, or H set next. Also, I could learn something completely different like ollcp or zbls. Also, do you guys think zbls could be worth it for cfop? Any input will be appreciated.

I would practice Recog but I would start on the pi/h Set as the recog for these sets is different

 

[TMarshall]

I would practice Recog but I would start on the pi/h Set as the recog for these sets is different

Do you know of any resources that teaches how to recognize those? Even if there aren't any, I'll be seeing bindedsa in a week so I can just ask him.

 

[OLLiver]

Do you know of any resources that teaches how to recognize those? Even if there aren't any, I'll be seeing bindedsa in a week so I can just ask him.

I use the harris/baum recog system....simon scansions zbll document explains it well.
But bindedsa is without doubt the best person to ask about this.

 

[Kudz]

3. Mmmmm, I don't know how to describe it! I look for blocks of matching stickers, and I memorised the unique pattern to each case.

I know what you mean, but I think it won't help my with my OLLCPs/ROLL haha. Maybe if I will be learning 1LLL :rolleyes: so I think I won't do that.

 

[OLLiver]

so ZB method requires EO. right now I use very inefficient semi intuitive EO using general cube knowledge on the last F2L slot.
I need to be able to do this better to get sub 9.
another option is Felik's Zemdegs(es) video on intuitively keeping EO for OH. and there is ZBLS
So what do you guys think is the fastest way to do EO for ZB?
I don't really want to learn ZBLS because its another "look" making it a 2LLL. but I will if it is faster.
so what do you guys think?

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

so ZB method requires EO. right now I use very inefficient semi intuitive EO using general cube knowledge on the last F2L slot.
I need to be able to do this better to get sub 9.
another option is Felik's Zemdegs(es) video on intuitively keeping EO for OH. and there is ZBLS
So what do you guys think is the fastest way to do EO for ZB?
I don't really want to learn ZBLS because its another "look" making it a 2LLL. but I will if it is faster.
so what do you guys think?

if you dont know VHLS learn it

go through the ZBLS cases and find intuitive ways to do the pair and EO efficiently using a combination of pairing while flipping edges and using different insertions (VHLS)

learn the algs for harder cases

 

[2180161]

Does anybody have a better alg for H 5? all the ones on algdb are trash
.

 

[4Chan]

so ZB method requires EO. right now I use very inefficient semi intuitive EO using general cube knowledge on the last F2L slot.
I need to be able to do this better to get sub 9.
another option is Felik's Zemdegs(es) video on intuitively keeping EO for OH. and there is ZBLS
So what do you guys think is the fastest way to do EO for ZB?
I don't really want to learn ZBLS because its another "look" making it a 2LLL. but I will if it is faster.
so what do you guys think?

Hypothetically, it's the same amount of looks as doing the LS once you get good enough, but the thing that sucks about ZBLS is like, ugh, it sucks having to learn so many algs, and some cases are dumb.

However, ZBLS has some pretty sick cases too, so I think if you had beautiful wonderful elegant ZBLS algs, it'd be a great method.

Does anybody have a better alg for H 5? all the ones on algdb are trash
.

LOL I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR YEARS, I GAVE UP A LONG TIME AGO, THIS ONE SUCKS.
If someone has a magical case, please share it.

 

[ottozing]

@OLLiver, what you should do is learn all of the ZBLS cases that aren't stupid and not worthwhile, and do what Feliks does which is use different easy cases throughout F2L to gradually solve EO.

 

[KRAMIST]

Does anybody have a better alg for H 5? all the ones on algdb are trash
.

idk if its good but this is what i wud learn

R2 U R' U R D R' U2 L' U R U' L D' R2

2 D's 2 L's

using brackets
(R2 U) R' U R (D) R' U2 (L') U R U' (L) D' R2

btw this is with the matching corners to the left

 

[supercavitation]

idk if its good but this is what i wud learn

R2 U R' U R D R' U2 L' U R U' L D' R2

2 D's 2 L's

using brackets
(R2 U) R' U R (D) R' U2 (L') U R U' (L) D' R2

btw this is with the matching corners to the left

I really like this for 2H, I can do it nearly as fast as my normal COLL alg for that case.

 

[CubeWizard23]

I now know the H and Pi sets for COLL, what set should i learn next?
[Yes i know this is ZBLL help, but COLL is just a substep of ZBLL so i figured you guys would probably know]

 

[Berd]

I now know the H and Pi sets for COLL, what set should i learn next?
[Yes i know this is ZBLL help, but COLL is just a substep of ZBLL so i figured you guys would probably know]

I did U or T next.

 

[Berkmann18]

L, U and T.

 

[TMarshall]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLV65y08OOX3xrbkEvfe4tqL1odg6hKdC

My zbll U set tutorials. Hopefully these help, any feedback on how I can make these better will be greatly appreciated. I'll be making t set algs next week.

 

[obelisk477]

LOL I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR YEARS, I GAVE UP A LONG TIME AGO, THIS ONE SUCKS.
If someone has a magical case, please share it.

Does anybody have a better alg for H 5? all the ones on algdb are trash
.

F r U2 R' U' R U' r2 U' r F' r' U F2 r was the best new one I could find after a day of searching

 

[Kudz]

T31
x' M' U2 M U R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F' U
so x' M' U2 M U Tperm U
I found it one day, but I wasn't that much into ZBLL, so I never checked it, I couldn't find it so I post it.
It must be lined up like that
Was it known before? I'm quite sure it was..

 

[TDM]

T31
x' M' U2 M U R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F' U
so x' M' U2 M U Tperm U
I found it one day, but I wasn't that much into ZBLL, so I never checked it, I couldn't find it so I post it.
It must be lined up like that
Was it known before? I'm quite sure it was..

I think some people use this:
[x' M' U': T perm]
Yours seems to have a longer setup, but a shorter ending.

 

[Kudz]

I think some people use this:
[x' M' U': T perm]
Yours seems to have a longer setup, but a shorter ending.

ouch, my works in one auf, in which it is much better, so I guess it's just nice mirror then
e: also better fingertricks in mine I guess