Qualifying Competitions (US Nationals)

[Kit Clement]

It's more of a bad habit that can lead to confusion that anything else really
I always prefer to refer to the proper terms as they are defined in the regulations.

I'm curious as to when they started, myself. I'm fairly sure it started somewhere in the US based on the widespread use here compared to anywhere else, but I'm not sure. Everyone said cutoff/time limit in the US back until my hiatus at the end of 2009, and then it was all hard/soft when I came back in early 2013.

 

[1w3playZ]

I really hope this "qualification" does not go into effect in the next couple of years, or until Cubing grows to a certain extent. Because I hope these qualification rules are not going to be pulled right out of the Sportstacking rules book, which none of us want. Literally. (Except for that rule if you don't wait for the green light and go, you get an extra attempt. *wink *wink)
Since sport stacking is quite popular, they have qualifying competitions. First goes Junior Olympics. If you qualify and do good in that then there's Nationals (I think). And if you do good at nationals, you might qualify for a "Team USA" deal, which lets not get into. Then, SpeedStacks themselves might sponsor you to go to the World Championships.
Yet, they have wayyyyyyy less competitions than us per year, too. Mostly because its quite a hell of a ride to organize one.
So overall, I would not be too happy to see a qualification section added to the regs, in say 2017. Also, say if there will at sometime be qualifying comps, that's two more nationals for the WCA to host. Yet, at the rate that cubing has been growing, we might just need to think of something.

 

[shadowslice e]

Thing is, qualifying competitions would only really work in the US. Nowhere else really has enough cubers or comps (as far as I'm aware)

 

[Kit Clement]

(Except for that rule if you don't wait for the green light and go, you get an extra attempt. *wink *wink)

Cupstacking is the exact same every time. Cubes have scrambles, and this would allow for an easy way to game yourself out of a scramble, which is beyond a terrible idea.

As for the rest of your post, you seem to think that qualifying competitions have to be like the are done in cupstacking, and that's anything but the case.

 

[1w3playZ]

As for the rest of your post, you seem to think that qualifying competitions have to be like the are done in cupstacking, and that's anything but the case.

I'm not saying they have to be like they are in cup stacking, but it can be relate able. I was just trying to give an example of some kind of leveling up tournament system, because it seems to work out for pretty well for them.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

If we have to add qualifying competitions, then it should just be that you have to get a certain average before you go to nats. Organizing lots of competitions to qualify people would be pretty hard to do, and if someone isn't available when the one nearest to them happens, they wouldn't get to go to nats even if they were sub 12 or something.

 

[biscuit]

If we have to add qualifying competitions, then it should just be that you have to get a certain average before you go to nats. Organizing lots of competitions to qualify people would be pretty hard to do, and if someone isn't available when the one nearest to them happens, they wouldn't get to go to nats even if they were sub 12 or something.

I'd like to point our that under the current regs this is already possible.

Z4) The organisation team may limit the number of competitors per event, on either a "first come first serve" basis or based upon qualification times or rankings in the WCA world rankings of a previously announced calendar date.

 

[YouCubing]

I'd like to point our that under the current regs this is already possible.

Z4) The organisation team may limit the number of competitors per event, on either a "first come first serve" basis or based upon qualification times or rankings in the WCA world rankings of a previously announced calendar date.

Now I kind of want to organize a comp where you need an official 5BLD mo3 to compete
muahahahaaaa

 

[biscuit]

Now I kind of want to organize a comp where you need an official 5BLD mo3 to compete
muahahahaaaa

Lololol

 

[Cale S]

Now I kind of want to organize a comp where you need an official 5BLD mo3 to compete
muahahahaaaa

I would go to that

 

[ToastyKen]

IT'S HAPPENING!

There will be qualification times (from any WCA comp) required to register for CubingUSA Nationals 2017.
Thread here:

https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/qualifying-times-for-cubingusa-nationals-2017.62880/

 

[genericcuber666]

i completely disagree with this...

imo speedcubing is a different sport when you go to comps there is absolutely no competitive atmosphere and this helps new cubers into the environment national comps are a great way to meet people and to have fun

if you make it exclusive to fazt people you have a few problems
1. noone will come
2. noone will care
3. its not in our "spirit"

these big comps will have the wrong atmosphere if this happens maybe as a side comp but nats should stay like nats the big cool comp its always been

 

[WACWCA]

i completely disagree with this...

imo speedcubing is a different sport when you go to comps there is absolutely no competitive atmosphere and this helps new cubers into the environment national comps are a great way to meet people and to have fun

if you make it exclusive to fazt people you have a few problems
1. noone will come
2. noone will care
3. its not in our "spirit"

these big comps will have the wrong atmosphere if this happens maybe as a side comp but nats should stay like nats the big cool comp its always been

1. 40 seconds for 3x3 is not fast at all, and only 50 out of the 520 competitors from last year did not get sub 40
2. What do you mean nobody will care?
3. Its also not in our spirit to have to tell 300 people that they are on a wait list, while some people only are competing in pyraminx and averaging 1 minute. Also earlier nationals had qualifications rounds , when FAR less people came.

 

[Cale S]

imo speedcubing is a different sport when you go to comps there is absolutely no competitive atmosphere and this helps new cubers into the environment national comps are a great way to meet people and to have fun

This is how local competitions are, but I don't think you can say Nationals isn't competitive when they're giving out thousands of dollars total in prize money and you have 500+ competitors

if you make it exclusive to fazt people you have a few problems

40 seconds for 3x3 isn't exactly fast, anyone can get there within a month or two if they actually care enough to go to Nationals

 

[YouCubing]

Most of these cutoffs aren't bad at all, one problem I have is Multi because low cube attempts have a cutoff of 10 minutes per cube anyway, so a 2 cube attempt is 3 times as fast as say, a 20 cube attempt

 

[obelisk477]

Most of these cutoffs aren't bad at all, one problem I have is Multi because low cube attempts have a cutoff of 10 minutes per cube anyway, so a 2 cube attempt is 3 times as fast as say, a 20 cube attempt

Agree. I would think 3 points is a little more reasonable.

 

[One Wheel]

Most of these cutoffs aren't bad at all, one problem I have is Multi because low cube attempts have a cutoff of 10 minutes per cube anyway, so a 2 cube attempt is 3 times as fast as say, a 20 cube attempt

On the other hand, if somebody has gotten 5 points you know that at the very least they have gotten 5/5. In the rare case where that is someone's pb and all they want to do is tie it they will have 50 minutes and everyone else will have an even hour, which is simpler to schedule.