[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

[PenguinsDontFly]

I'm learning Roux, and I want to know how you guys build your 1x2x3 blocks.

I currently insert botom edges like cross pieces, then F2L and repeat on the other side.

So thats one method, where you do DL edge then 2 pairs. The second method is sort of a X-cross method, solve either LF or LB edge and insert 2x1x1 DL edge with corner. The last method is 2 lines so 1x1x3 and 1x1x3 on top of eachother. The last one is uncommon/ usually inefficient unless its very obvious.

 

[theROUXbiksCube]

1x2x2->1x2x3

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

1x2x2->1x2x3

But how do u get 1x2x2 in first place? Has to be either 2 vertical 1x1x2s or 2 horizontal 1x1x2 s.

 

[GuRoux]

my favorite type of insert, pretty rare though:
set up: u L U' L'
solution: L U L' u'

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

my favorite type of insert, pretty rare though:
set up: u L U' L'
solution: L U L' u'

Thats specific. My favorite is either:
R' U
Or
_____

 

[waffle=ijm]

1x2x2 is of often neutral. Basically you don't give a **** of what you build first. horizontal or vertical pair doesn't matter.

 

[GuRoux]

Thats specific. My favorite is either:
R' U
Or
_____

not that specific, just when you insert a pair where one corner is for one pair and the edge is for the other pair.

 

[philipneri]

My favorite is when you have the 1x2x2 completed and you are making your last pair. The edge is on the FD spot. The corner is in the URF spot. And you get to just do R'F to connect and insert.

 

[bmoineau]

I'm new to Roux, and still trying to understand how it works and I was curious: Do I really need to avoid R move when I'm doing the LSE step?
because after finishing orientation, more than once I had a case where everything was already placed, except the DF and DB edges who just needed
to switch place and same thing for the UF and UR edges. To solve it, I was doing something like (RUR'U) M2 U2 M2 (URU'R') which seems faster to me than doing something with only M and U moves.

 

[supercavitation]

I'm new to Roux, and still trying to understand how it works and I was curious: Do I really need to avoid R move when I'm doing the LSE step?
because after finishing orientation, more than once I had a case where everything was already placed, except the DF and DB edges who just needed
to switch place and same thing for the UF and UR edges. To solve it, I was doing something like (RUR'U) M2 U2 M2 (URU'R') which seems faster to me than doing something with only M and U moves.

If it's more efficient and fingertricky to use R moves, use them. That's not very often the case, though.

 

[TDM]

I'm new to Roux, and still trying to understand how it works and I was curious: Do I really need to avoid R move when I'm doing the LSE step?
because after finishing orientation, more than once I had a case where everything was already placed, except the DF and DB edges who just needed
to switch place and same thing for the UF and UR edges. To solve it, I was doing something like (RUR'U) M2 U2 M2 (URU'R') which seems faster to me than doing something with only M and U moves.

You don't have to regrip. Also, the alg for that case is really nice if you use MU: M2 U' M' U2 M' U' M' U2 M2 U2 M'. Entirely <M', U'>. Swap the U's with Us if you do M moves with your left hand. I can do it faster (although not as consistently, I admit) as the RUM one.

 

[JediJupiter]

I'm new to Roux, and still trying to understand how it works and I was curious: Do I really need to avoid R move when I'm doing the LSE step?
because after finishing orientation, more than once I had a case where everything was already placed, except the DF and DB edges who just needed
to switch place and same thing for the UF and UR edges. To solve it, I was doing something like (RUR'U) M2 U2 M2 (URU'R') which seems faster to me than doing something with only M and U moves.

where did you find that solution? It's pretty cool. I won't use it though.

 

[rowan]

I'm new to Roux, and still trying to understand how it works and I was curious: Do I really need to avoid R move when I'm doing the LSE step?
because after finishing orientation, more than once I had a case where everything was already placed, except the DF and DB edges who just needed
to switch place and same thing for the UF and UR edges. To solve it, I was doing something like (RUR'U) M2 U2 M2 (URU'R') which seems faster to me than doing something with only M and U moves.

You should try to place the UL/UR edge that needs to be permuted while doing EO. It's the easiest way to influence LSE.

Hax alg (if you have trouble placing the edge): M2 u' M' u2 M' u M2 u2

 

[TDM]

where did you find that solution? It's pretty cool. I won't use it though.

It's a setup to M2 U2 M2 U2. After R U R' U, the edges that need to be swapped are in DFDB and UFUB, which can be solved using M2 U2 M2 U2. The last U2 cancels with undoing the setup.
(or you could view it as [R U R' U': U2 M2 U2 M2], which gives you the same alg)

 

[bmoineau]

Thanks guys!

where did you find that solution? It's pretty cool. I won't use it though.

as TDM said, just a simple setup, nothing fancy

You should try to place the UL/UR edge that needs to be permuted while doing EO. It's the easiest way to influence LSE.

yes I'm starting to work on that now, I think I'm still stuck in my cfop habits and just need to practice a lot more to really grasp how to "think" Roux

 

[philipneri]

I was a 90 second solver before switching to Roux last month. After a month of using the Roux method, my average is 50 seconds for a full solve. My averages for each step are 10-20-8-12 seconds. My block building is getting pretty efficient. In my slow solves, I am getting 9 moves for the FB and 12 moves for the SB.

I am very pleased with my progress on the first block, the U corners, and LSE. But my second block is pretty slow. For my FB, I plan most of it during inspection. But I don't have that luxury for my SB. I think 10 of the 20 SB seconds are just looking for the 5 pieces I need to build the block.

Right now, my practice regiment each day is 10 speed solves, 10 slow solves, and 5 solves where I time each step. Do you all have any recommendations/tips for exercises/drills I should be doing in order to improve my SB.

Thank you in advance.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

I was a 90 second solver before switching to Roux last month. After a month of using the Roux method, my average is 50 seconds for a full solve. My averages for each step are 10-20-8-12 seconds. My block building is getting pretty efficient. In my slow solves, I am getting 9 moves for the FB and 12 moves for the SB.

I am very pleased with my progress on the first block, the U corners, and LSE. But my second block is pretty slow. For my FB, I plan most of it during inspection. But I don't have that luxury for my SB. I think 10 of the 20 SB seconds are just looking for the 5 pieces I need to build the block.

Right now, my practice regiment each day is 10 speed solves, 10 slow solves, and 5 solves where I time each step. Do you all have any recommendations/tips for exercises/drills I should be doing in order to improve my SB.

Thank you in advance.

U are going great. 2 things:

1. 100 solves a day

2. Practice planning whole first block during inspection. While solving first block, try not to look at the pieces since you already know the solution, and look for the sb pieces.

 

[GuRoux]

I was a 90 second solver before switching to Roux last month. After a month of using the Roux method, my average is 50 seconds for a full solve. My averages for each step are 10-20-8-12 seconds. My block building is getting pretty efficient. In my slow solves, I am getting 9 moves for the FB and 12 moves for the SB.

I am very pleased with my progress on the first block, the U corners, and LSE. But my second block is pretty slow. For my FB, I plan most of it during inspection. But I don't have that luxury for my SB. I think 10 of the 20 SB seconds are just looking for the 5 pieces I need to build the block.

Right now, my practice regiment each day is 10 speed solves, 10 slow solves, and 5 solves where I time each step. Do you all have any recommendations/tips for exercises/drills I should be doing in order to improve my SB.

Thank you in advance.

really you just need to do more speedsolves, practice finding pieces. perhaps skip the 5 solves timing each step and do 20 speedsolves, or just do as much speedsolves as you can or feel like.

 

[Ross The Boss]

I was a 90 second solver before switching to Roux last month. After a month of using the Roux method, my average is 50 seconds for a full solve. My averages for each step are 10-20-8-12 seconds. My block building is getting pretty efficient. In my slow solves, I am getting 9 moves for the FB and 12 moves for the SB.

I am very pleased with my progress on the first block, the U corners, and LSE. But my second block is pretty slow. For my FB, I plan most of it during inspection. But I don't have that luxury for my SB. I think 10 of the 20 SB seconds are just looking for the 5 pieces I need to build the block.

Right now, my practice regiment each day is 10 speed solves, 10 slow solves, and 5 solves where I time each step. Do you all have any recommendations/tips for exercises/drills I should be doing in order to improve my SB.

Thank you in advance.

you really should solve more. for example, i know im quite a bit faster than you (12ish seconds), but i do more than 100 speedsolves on average on weekdays, and probably upwards of 200 on those days when i have time to my self. i just solve whenever i want, if im watching a documentry or something i do a whole bunch of slow solves then as well.

 

[philipneri]

1. 100 solves a day

really you just need to do more speedsolves

you really should solve more. for example, i do more than 100 speedsolves on average on weekdays, and probably upwards of 200 on those days when i have time to my self.

Thank you for the responses. I will try to find time to do more solves. I am a middle school science teacher. So once summer starts, maybe, I can make the time to solve 100 times a day.

2. Practice planning whole first block during inspection. While solving first block, try not to look at the pieces since you already know the solution, and look for the sb pieces.

I like this tip a lot. I will definitely try to practice that.