[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

GuRoux said:
looking at example solves helps teach you tips and tricks. but it doesn't take too much thought to figure out most cases. Just try to keep in mind that there is almost always a good way to solve each case. experiment how M and r moves can improve your efficiency. For first block, do a lot of untimed infinite inspection solves. There is almost always a 8 or less move solution for any block you're using, so try to find it.
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This is true. I've switched to Roux 3 or 4 weeks ago.
 
So, after ~2 weeks, here's a pretty normal ao12 for me:

[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]time[/td]
[td]first block[/td]
[td]second block[/td]
[td]corners[/td]
[td]last 6 edges[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]53.68[/td]
[td]11.82[/td]
[td]20.49[/td]
[td]8.26[/td]
[td]13.11[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]52.79[/td]
[td]10.95[/td]
[td]20.72[/td]
[td]9.76[/td]
[td]11.36[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]43.51[/td]
[td]14.07[/td]
[td]13.16[/td]
[td]5.14[/td]
[td]11.14[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]54.06[/td]
[td]14.88[/td]
[td]18.61[/td]
[td]9.51[/td]
[td]11.05[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]48.43[/td]
[td]12.70[/td]
[td]17.10[/td]
[td]4.89[/td]
[td]13.73[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]1:00.17[/td]
[td]11.49[/td]
[td]28.35[/td]
[td]6.30[/td]
[td]14.03[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]55.76[/td]
[td]11.67[/td]
[td]25.41[/td]
[td]6.42[/td]
[td]12.27[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]1:05.54[/td]
[td]20.11[/td]
[td]23.88[/td]
[td]11.76[/td]
[td]9.79[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]58.73[/td]
[td]13.21[/td]
[td]20.57[/td]
[td]5.42[/td]
[td]19.54[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]59.16[/td]
[td]18.09[/td]
[td]11.65[/td]
[td]11.44[/td]
[td]17.98[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]52.01[/td]
[td]11.52[/td]
[td]15.85[/td]
[td]8.35[/td]
[td]16.29[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]48.08[/td]
[td]14.16[/td]
[td]18.60[/td]
[td]3.64[/td]
[td]11.68[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]mean[/td]
[td]54.33[/td]
[td]13.72[/td]
[td]19.53[/td]
[td]7.57[/td]
[td]13.50[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Up 'til now I didn't do any specific practice, just normal solves to get accustomed to the cube/method.
Now that it seems I've passed 1 minute, it feels like I could start practicing a bit more seriously, aiming at different things, targeting specific tasks...

Based on the splits above, what is the first/most importatnt thing I should be looking at?
Also let's say I'm aiming for sub40 atm, what splits should I have in mind?

A few additional things: currently I solve with a fixed color on top (yellow), and start the first block on blue or green, whichever seems easier.
It would be nice to expand the possibilities further, but I don't know which other colors/orientations should I start to practice.
Imo I'm quite bad at learning algorithms, so I want to delay that as much as possible.
Right now I know an alg for all the corner orientation cases, and I have one alg for swapping two adjacent corners (x R' U R' D2 R U' R' D2 R2), and I'm doing that twice for diagonal swaps.

Roux is awesome! :o
 
primarycuber said:
So, after ~2 weeks, here's a pretty normal ao12 for me:

[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]time[/td]
[td]first block[/td]
[td]second block[/td]
[td]corners[/td]
[td]last 6 edges[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]53.68[/td]
[td]11.82[/td]
[td]20.49[/td]
[td]8.26[/td]
[td]13.11[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]52.79[/td]
[td]10.95[/td]
[td]20.72[/td]
[td]9.76[/td]
[td]11.36[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]43.51[/td]
[td]14.07[/td]
[td]13.16[/td]
[td]5.14[/td]
[td]11.14[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]54.06[/td]
[td]14.88[/td]
[td]18.61[/td]
[td]9.51[/td]
[td]11.05[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]48.43[/td]
[td]12.70[/td]
[td]17.10[/td]
[td]4.89[/td]
[td]13.73[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]1:00.17[/td]
[td]11.49[/td]
[td]28.35[/td]
[td]6.30[/td]
[td]14.03[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]55.76[/td]
[td]11.67[/td]
[td]25.41[/td]
[td]6.42[/td]
[td]12.27[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]1:05.54[/td]
[td]20.11[/td]
[td]23.88[/td]
[td]11.76[/td]
[td]9.79[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]58.73[/td]
[td]13.21[/td]
[td]20.57[/td]
[td]5.42[/td]
[td]19.54[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]59.16[/td]
[td]18.09[/td]
[td]11.65[/td]
[td]11.44[/td]
[td]17.98[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]52.01[/td]
[td]11.52[/td]
[td]15.85[/td]
[td]8.35[/td]
[td]16.29[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]48.08[/td]
[td]14.16[/td]
[td]18.60[/td]
[td]3.64[/td]
[td]11.68[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]mean[/td]
[td]54.33[/td]
[td]13.72[/td]
[td]19.53[/td]
[td]7.57[/td]
[td]13.50[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Up 'til now I didn't do any specific practice, just normal solves to get accustomed to the cube/method.
Now that it seems I've passed 1 minute, it feels like I could start practicing a bit more seriously, aiming at different things, targeting specific tasks...

Based on the splits above, what is the first/most importatnt thing I should be looking at?
Also let's say I'm aiming for sub40 atm, what splits should I have in mind?

A few additional things: currently I solve with a fixed color on top (yellow), and start the first block on blue or green, whichever seems easier.
It would be nice to expand the possibilities further, but I don't know which other colors/orientations should I start to practice.
Imo I'm quite bad at learning algorithms, so I want to delay that as much as possible.
Right now I know an alg for all the corner orientation cases, and I have one alg for swapping two adjacent corners (x R' U R' D2 R U' R' D2 R2), and I'm doing that twice for diagonal swaps.

Roux is awesome! :o
Click to expand...

for two adjacent swap I use R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R2 x' and diagonal swap is R' U L' U2 R U' x' U L' U2 R U' L. I'm not really sure what the usual split is for a sub 40 rouxer (not many people start roux that early), but it looks like your FB, SB, and LSE are lagging behind your CMLL, so that's where you should work on most. For FB, find all the pieces during inspection and try to track them as you smoothly solve FB. For second block, try improve your efficiency. Maybe try to split the LSE into 3 looks, EO, UL+UR, EP.
 
I just did a 10.40, with one of my longest (although not slowest) CMLL. Also, very nice first block!

Scramble:
R2 U' B2 L2 F2 D R2 F2 U' B2 D' B' U' R' B' L2 D B' R U L2

y z2
U L2 U' l2 z // FB (4/4)
U' M U r U' r U M2 U' // square (9/13)
r U' R U r' U' R // pair (7/20)
R' U' R U' R' U R U' R' U R U' R' U2 R // CMLL (15/35)
U2 M U M // EO (4/39)
U2 M2 U' // UL/UR (3/42)
M U2 M' U2 // M-perm (4/46)
alg.cubing.net

46 STM = 4.4 TPS
 
primarycuber said:
So, after ~2 weeks, here's a pretty normal ao12 for me:

[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]time[/td]
[td]first block[/td]
[td]second block[/td]
[td]corners[/td]
[td]last 6 edges[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]53.68[/td]
[td]11.82[/td]
[td]20.49[/td]
[td]8.26[/td]
[td]13.11[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]52.79[/td]
[td]10.95[/td]
[td]20.72[/td]
[td]9.76[/td]
[td]11.36[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]43.51[/td]
[td]14.07[/td]
[td]13.16[/td]
[td]5.14[/td]
[td]11.14[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]54.06[/td]
[td]14.88[/td]
[td]18.61[/td]
[td]9.51[/td]
[td]11.05[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]48.43[/td]
[td]12.70[/td]
[td]17.10[/td]
[td]4.89[/td]
[td]13.73[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]1:00.17[/td]
[td]11.49[/td]
[td]28.35[/td]
[td]6.30[/td]
[td]14.03[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]55.76[/td]
[td]11.67[/td]
[td]25.41[/td]
[td]6.42[/td]
[td]12.27[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]1:05.54[/td]
[td]20.11[/td]
[td]23.88[/td]
[td]11.76[/td]
[td]9.79[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]58.73[/td]
[td]13.21[/td]
[td]20.57[/td]
[td]5.42[/td]
[td]19.54[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]59.16[/td]
[td]18.09[/td]
[td]11.65[/td]
[td]11.44[/td]
[td]17.98[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]52.01[/td]
[td]11.52[/td]
[td]15.85[/td]
[td]8.35[/td]
[td]16.29[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]48.08[/td]
[td]14.16[/td]
[td]18.60[/td]
[td]3.64[/td]
[td]11.68[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]mean[/td]
[td]54.33[/td]
[td]13.72[/td]
[td]19.53[/td]
[td]7.57[/td]
[td]13.50[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Up 'til now I didn't do any specific practice, just normal solves to get accustomed to the cube/method.
Now that it seems I've passed 1 minute, it feels like I could start practicing a bit more seriously, aiming at different things, targeting specific tasks...

Based on the splits above, what is the first/most importatnt thing I should be looking at?
Also let's say I'm aiming for sub40 atm, what splits should I have in mind?

A few additional things: currently I solve with a fixed color on top (yellow), and start the first block on blue or green, whichever seems easier.
It would be nice to expand the possibilities further, but I don't know which other colors/orientations should I start to practice.
Imo I'm quite bad at learning algorithms, so I want to delay that as much as possible.
Right now I know an alg for all the corner orientation cases, and I have one alg for swapping two adjacent corners (x R' U R' D2 R U' R' D2 R2), and I'm doing that twice for diagonal swaps.

Roux is awesome! :o
Click to expand...

Use J and Y perms for swaps (assuming you used CFOP these should be pretty quick). I think the first thing you could improve on quickly would be LSE and FB.

Remember and take advantage of the fluidity and freedom of First Block. Try not to do too many rotations and don't build like CFOP. Decide now what kind of CN (if any) you want to use. A few pages back there is some good discussion and info.

For LSE, just practice the "cycling" idea of LSE. Make transitions faster and faster so that you can basically one look EO. Standardize your 4c of LSE so that you know the "correct" solution and you don't have to make random moves to reduce the case.
 
CheesecakeCuber said:
Use J and Y perms for swaps (assuming you used CFOP these should be pretty quick). I think the first thing you could improve on quickly would be LSE and FB.

Remember and take advantage of the fluidity and freedom of First Block. Try not to do too many rotations and don't build like CFOP. Decide now what kind of CN (if any) you want to use. A few pages back there is some good discussion and info.

For LSE, just practice the "cycling" idea of LSE. Make transitions faster and faster so that you can basically one look EO. Standardize your 4c of LSE so that you know the "correct" solution and you don't have to make random moves to reduce the case.
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aren't y perms slow?
 
GuRoux said:
relative to his other plls, y perms are slow. what do you do for diagonal swap. mine is: R' U L' U2 R U' x' U L' U2 R' L
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I use the standard Y perm -- F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F'. I never bothered to learn anything else; maybe I should. I can do it in around 1.6 I think.
 
GuRoux said:
for two adjacent swap I use R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R2 x' and diagonal swap is R' U L' U2 R U' x' U L' U2 R U' L. I'm not really sure what the usual split is for a sub 40 rouxer (not many people start roux that early), but it looks like your FB, SB, and LSE are lagging behind your CMLL, so that's where you should work on most. For FB, find all the pieces during inspection and try to track them as you smoothly solve FB. For second block, try improve your efficiency. Maybe try to split the LSE into 3 looks, EO, UL+UR, EP.
Click to expand...

CheesecakeCuber said:
Use J and Y perms for swaps (assuming you used CFOP these should be pretty quick). I think the first thing you could improve on quickly would be LSE and FB.

Remember and take advantage of the fluidity and freedom of First Block. Try not to do too many rotations and don't build like CFOP. Decide now what kind of CN (if any) you want to use. A few pages back there is some good discussion and info.

For LSE, just practice the "cycling" idea of LSE. Make transitions faster and faster so that you can basically one look EO. Standardize your 4c of LSE so that you know the "correct" solution and you don't have to make random moves to reduce the case.
Click to expand...

Thank you for you input :)

I like GoRoux's algs, I think I'll stick with them for a while. Also no CFOP knowledge for me, I started with roux right off the bat, I don't know anything else.
I think in this week I'll work on my lse the most, that seems the easiest choice right now, and also I'll try to lots of slow first blocks.
I'll also read back on CN, what do you suggest btw? Is it a hard thing to learn?
 
primarycuber said:
Thank you for you input :)

I like GoRoux's algs, I think I'll stick with them for a while. Also no CFOP knowledge for me, I started with roux right off the bat, I don't know anything else.
I think in this week I'll work on my lse the most, that seems the easiest choice right now, and also I'll try to lots of slow first blocks.
I'll also read back on CN, what do you suggest btw? Is it a hard thing to learn?
Click to expand...

Be at the very least able to start with two different FB, dual color neutral. I think most rouxers end up being able to do 4-8 but i personally am still at 2.
 
GuRoux said:
relative to his other plls, y perms are slow. what do you do for diagonal swap. mine is: R' U L' U2 R U' x' U L' U2 R U' L
Click to expand...

I use RUL N-perm, a holdover from my ZZ days. It's rather slow, but it's faster than Y-perm for me. I may reevaluate once I stop having to use it every 20 or so solves (full CMLL instead of mostly full CMLL).
 
supercavitation said:
I use RUL N-perm, a holdover from my ZZ days. It's rather slow, but it's faster than Y-perm for me. I may reevaluate once I stop having to use it every 20 or so solves (full CMLL instead of mostly full CMLL).
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what's the N-perm one? sorry not too familiar with cfop. Are you sure mine is not just a roux optimized n-perm?
 
L2 B2 L B' L2 D' B' U' F' B2 R L2 U2 D2 L F2 L B2 L' U2

I just did a 10.83... Very nice solve, only 36 STM! (Yeah, 3.3 TPS... :( )

y2 x
R2 u U2 R' r' B' (6)
U' r' U2 R' U' r U' R U M U' r (12)
U R U R' U R U2 R' (8)
U2 M U M' U' M' U2 M U' M2 (10)
alg.cubing.net
 
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