[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

Instead of doing M' U2 M2 U2 M, I go for: y U2 M2 U2. Are all those extra moves faster than one rotation? Or is it that as I improve, I'll be able to execute the first faster? What do you guys use?
 
Hey guys i have a question. I'm currently sub 25 in ZZ, i often get sub 20s and sometimes sub 15. But I'm planning to switch on roux because it is really cool. And i'm currently sub 35. Is it worth it to switch to roux ? Can i get sub 25 in 2 months ?
 
JediJupiter said:
Instead of doing M' U2 M2 U2 M, I go for: y U2 M2 U2. Are all those extra moves faster than one rotation? Or is it that as I improve, I'll be able to execute the first faster? What do you guys use?
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Set up the case with an M2 (U/U') before it, then practice it both ways and see which is faster and/or more comfortable.

Do the setup: M' U2 M2 U2 M U' M2, and time/practice all of the following:
M2 U M' U2 M2 U2 M
M2 U M U2 M2 U2 M'
M2 U x U2 M2 U2
M2 U x' U2 M2 U2

Do the setup: M' U2 M2 U2 M U M2, and time/practice all of the following:
M2 U' M' U2 M2 U2 M
M2 U' M U2 M2 U2 M'
M2 U' x U2 M2 U2
M2 U' x' U2 M2 U2

Go with what you think you can be fastest and most comfortable with.
 
MWilson said:
Set up the case with an M2 (U/U') before it, then practice it both ways and see which is faster and/or more comfortable.

Do the setup: M' U2 M2 U2 M U' M2, and time/practice all of the following:
M2 U M' U2 M2 U2 M
M2 U M U2 M2 U2 M'
M2 U x U2 M2 U2
M2 U x' U2 M2 U2

Do the setup: M' U2 M2 U2 M U M2, and time/practice all of the following:
M2 U' M' U2 M2 U2 M
M2 U' M U2 M2 U2 M'
M2 U' x U2 M2 U2
M2 U' x' U2 M2 U2

Go with what you think you can be fastest and most comfortable with.
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Thanks! I'll drill it then, I guess. I'll let you know what I find easiest and fastest maybe tomorrow or something!
 
GuRoux said:
usually, people don't cube rotate during LSE.
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That's mainly why I wanted to ask, I'll keep that in mind incase it becomes easier later on. Thanks.

After having a good shot at the first few, I still think doing an x' is faster than doing x like I was before, and also faster than no rotations. Maybe my M is still pretty slow, but an x' can be executed as fast as or faster than an M for me. It also feels nicer, since Ms are kinda awkward and I need to turn my wrist to push it up, and an x' is just like going to do a buncha B moves. So for now, I'll be using an x' rotation.
 
JediJupiter said:
That's mainly why I wanted to ask, I'll keep that in mind incase it becomes easier later on. Thanks.

After having a good shot at the first few, I still think doing an x' is faster than doing x like I was before, and also faster than no rotations. Maybe my M is still pretty slow, but an x' can be executed as fast as or faster than an M for me. It also feels nicer, since Ms are kinda awkward and I need to turn my wrist to push it up, and an x' is just like going to do a buncha B moves. So for now, I'll be using an x' rotation.
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try using your middle finger for the M push. that might be easier.
 
I didn't want to make a new thread for this, but I was wondering from some Roux users: If you were just starting (knowing what you know now), what would you do differently?

Essentially asking because I'm very interested in "optimizing" my solving from the start. I'm not too interested in beginner forms of Roux because it feels counterproductive to learn something you will eventually need to unlearn. So if you could go back, what would you implement sooner? Even if it seems advanced I'd still like to know.

Sorry if something like this has been posted before, I tried searching but it's a little too vague to come back with any real results.
 
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rowan said:
I didn't want to make a new thread for this, but I was wondering from some Roux users: If you were just starting (knowing what you know now), what would you do differently?

Essentially asking because I'm very interested in "optimizing" my solving from the start. I'm not too interested in beginner forms of Roux because it feels counterproductive to learn something you will eventually need to unlearn. So if you could go back, what would you implement sooner? Even if it seems advanced I'd still like to know.

Sorry if something like this has been posted before, I tried searching but it's a little too vague to come back with any real results.
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I would definitely focus just on block efficiency for a while. I probably tried to speed up blox too much before making sure they were efficient. Especially in second block, where habits like putting an edge in first stick with me. I started out CN (then actually limited down to 8 blocks later). I think starting CN helped me see different block combinations and such, so I would recommend starting out with at least 4 possible FBs. Also, learn good fingertricks right off the bat. This was a big mistake for me and continues on in my solves (especially CMLL). Learn to doubleflick with both hands, learn different ways of doing F moves, and most importantly learn to do M moves well. Doubleflicks for M2 are good and usually people do a DB to Df flick for M' and a DB to BU push for M. Experiment and see what works best for you.
This is mostly what comes to mind. I haven't been using Roux for long (4-5 months), so perhaps more experienced users could give you more insight. good luck!
 
rowan said:
I didn't want to make a new thread for this, but I was wondering from some Roux users: If you were just starting (knowing what you know now), what would you do differently?

Essentially asking because I'm very interested in "optimizing" my solving from the start. I'm not too interested in beginner forms of Roux because it feels counterproductive to learn something you will eventually need to unlearn. So if you could go back, what would you implement sooner? Even if it seems advanced I'd still like to know.

Sorry if something like this has been posted before, I tried searching but it's a little too vague to come back with any real results.
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I'd learn my CMLLs faster and earlier, and start working on look ahead much earlier. I'm pretty happy with x2/y neutrality, but yeah, block building efficiency would be nice. I average a lot more moves than I should. I'm working on it.
 
I think Gilles Roux suggested that you should use y2/x neutrality, with either white or yellow on the left or right. So basically only yellow/white blocks. He suggested that this would help recog during ULUR as it makes the edges easier to find because of their bright colours (they'd always be white/yellow).

I think Alex Lau once said that his LSE was faster when he had white/yellow blocks. This slowed down his F2B though, as he's x2/y neutral.
 
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Tao Yu said:
I think Gilles Roux suggested that you should use y2/x neutrality, with either white or yellow on the left or right. So basically only yellow/white blocks. He suggested that this would help recog during ULUR as it makes the edges easier to find because of their bright colours (they'd always be white/yellow).

I think Alex Lau once said that his LSE was faster when he had white/yellow blocks. This slowed down his F2B though, as he's x2/y neutral.
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Yeah, I'm aware that fully color neutral isn't really a *thing* for Roux and I only know of one other person who is fully CN, but I really like being so. It seems to fit (for me personally) with some of the other reasons I like Roux. I partially enjoy Roux because I feel like it's less restrictive and now the idea of not using all of the 2-4 move first blocks I encounter being CN and restricting myself to only a few colors is so unappealing. Plus, there's no real evidence to say the recognition is harder. I doubt the choice frequently, but I've decided to stick with it.

I've also been messing around with my color scheme because I doubt that the standard color scheme is really the best for me (in reference to bright colored edges).

Thanks for the other advice! I've been working on lookahead now, my solves are still quite slow (very inconsistent) but definitely smoother.
 
Hi. I am a former CFOP-beginner (had avg at around 39-41) ; I've been using roux for about a week now, and I'm finally sub 40. However I cannot cube much (i'd say 30 mins a day). This method truly feels more suited for me than cfop, since I can just practice instead of learning algs, at least at the beginning, and I'm happy i've discovered it at last... I'd like to ask you some questions.

What x2/y2 color neutral means ? When I'm solving, I usually go with red/orange as my blocks, but I can go with blue and green as well. However, I always have white on the bottom. So, I guess I am y2 neutral, right ?

What should I specifically train ? I think my blocks are good ; in slow solves, the first one is done in about 9-10 moves, and in fast solves, it takes about 6-10 seconds. I'm quite slow with the corners, since I'm using the 2 look cmll (I think it's the right name), and I'm pretty slow at doing some of the algorithms - I'd say 2 secs and a half for some, probably. Should I begin learning the 42 cmll, or are blocks still more important ? I've read a lot of messages that emphasize on blocks.

As for LSE goes, I'm quite satisfied with the last step (AMS, 4c, in waffo's tutorial, I don't know the exact name), but I'm not as fast with the EO and the UL/UR. For EO, I just cycle around. I can recog pretty fast, but I'm still fairly slow at executing. For UL/UR, what I do is, in order : I get one at UF, the other and DB, I do M'U2M', then adjust the up face, and go with a M2. I'm pretty sure this isn't optimal, though. Should I just train, or watch reconstructions solves (do you have any links ?) to grasp the concept better than I do ? I often practice the LSE. I just scramble with M and U.

Is there any kind of ZBLL for roux ? Or any variations worth noting ? I probably won't use them, but I'd like to read about them if they somehow exist.

How do you M ? I've no problem at all with M', but with M, I'm slower. Not exactly slower doing the move itself, but slower repositioning afterwards, since I use my left index, and I push the UB to UF. I'm fine doing it, but there might be a faster way I can't figure out.

I think it "just" boils down to practice, but maybe some tips could help, and as roux is still not as developed as cfop, I could be missing some of them, so I'm asking here.

I hope this was not too much and I hope this is the right place, too. Thanks.
 
rowan said:
Yeah, I'm aware that fully color neutral isn't really a *thing* for Roux and I only know of one other person who is fully CN, but I really like being so. It seems to fit (for me personally) with some of the other reasons I like Roux. I partially enjoy Roux because I feel like it's less restrictive and now the idea of not using all of the 2-4 move first blocks I encounter being CN and restricting myself to only a few colors is so unappealing. Plus, there's no real evidence to say the recognition is harder. I doubt the choice frequently, but I've decided to stick with it.

I've also been messing around with my color scheme because I doubt that the standard color scheme is really the best for me (in reference to bright colored edges).

Thanks for the other advice! I've been working on lookahead now, my solves are still quite slow (very inconsistent) but definitely smoother.
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The reason why most Roux users stick with x/y2 or x2/y is because those allow us to use any premade edge/corner pairs that are available. Adding full CN might add a BIT more flexibility to the FB, but I feel like the benefits are not that much greater. However, the best of luck to you in your CN endeavor.
 
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