everything here is personal opinion. my poor english does not allow me to express opinion from fact. personally i am very disturbed with current politics. haiyan, not disturbed. i support whatever decision WCA makes, because ultimately it was haiyan action and his future action that will decide his fate. it is not like the WCA is being unjust. they are giving him an opportunity to make amends for his action. haiyan opened a can of worms and all that is happening is his put in check. if i did the same thing i wouldnt expect no consequence.
Haiyan Zhuang banned for 1-3 years
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everything here is personal opinion. my poor english does not allow me to express opinion from fact. personally i am very disturbed with current politics. haiyan, not disturbed. i support whatever decision WCA makes, because ultimately it was haiyan action and his future action that will decide his fate. it is not like the WCA is being unjust. they are giving him an opportunity to make amends for his action. haiyan opened a can of worms and all that is happening is his put in check. if i did the same thing i wouldnt expect no consequence.
Bryan
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But let's say Lucas was the only person holding competitions in CA. And after the altercation, he decides he's not going to run competitions anymore. That has a major effect on the community, but only to the people who may not ever compete through no fault of their own. If you didn't go to Chinese competitions before and you don't plan on going in the future, then it probably has no effect on you as an individual.
splinteh
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We never really do know what happens behind the scenes
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I LOL-ed at it
even though I only heard the stories shortly after I started cubing 5 years ago.On topic:
The WCA is a very trustworthy being, which I almost trust 100% blindfolded. This is only the 2nd time a real solid hard ban is being given to anyone. I hear, see and experience (some more, some less) the way they do things. One of the main words coming to my mind while thinking about it is carefulness.
The WCA has hardly ever brought out anything to the public that wasn't thought through thoroughly and thought about with several people. Reading everything carefully I sadly have to say that the WCA has handled in a right way again this time. I don't want to judge Haiyan in any way, I'm just putting my trust in the WCA that they (again) made the right decision.
I regret stuff like this happening within our loving society a lot. Especially after I proudly told my new classmates today (who are all non-dutch and from 20 nationalities) that I have friends from all over the world. This is what cubing is about and what it should be about in the future: trust, friendship and fun. Not about money, not about personal success, not about popularity, not even about records (at least not as the main purpose).
Regardless of skill or function, any behavior that damage these foundations should be punished.
I hope next time I tell people about my friends I can be as proud as I was today, without any bad feelings.
Dene
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I feel left out I don't know anything about Dan Gosbee other than his name 
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This comes an no surprise to me anyway. From what I've deduced Haiyan deserves what he gets.
.This comes an no surprise to me anyway. From what I've deduced Haiyan deserves what he gets.
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It would suck if Haiyan has connections with party guys and gets WCA competitions shut down in some or all Chinese cities.
jms_gears1
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um what?
Dont you live in America?
and not only America but a capitalistic society..
That is kind of the idea behind capitalism and America...
Anyway, the CCA will exist regardless of our suspicion or not. How about we wait to cast any stones and see what happens? Its never a good idea to shoot at a crowd of people you think MIGHT be the enemy, especially if they have not shot at you first.
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What is the CCA?
teller
REAL Fingertricks!
Indeed...the The World Poker Tour flourished and spawned a revolution in televised poker where no one else would dare to tread while the World Series of Poker struggled to find an audience. Granted, the WSOP has since co-opted the best of the WPT in recent years and now leads in the ratings on ESPN, but the basic idea was sound: Someone thought they could do it better and they were free to do so. F*** yeah! Creative destruction!
Disclaimer: I have nothing but respect for the WCA and I trust them 99%. But I also love my Haiyan Memory cube, so even if Haiyan is a self-important tyrant like Donald Trump he can't possibly be 100% evil...so let the cards fall where they may. History will sort it out, no?
hic0057
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I think it China Cubing Association.
The Chinese version of the WCA.
Or they made a spelling mistake
jms_gears1
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I definitely dont mean to sound against WCA, I just dont think the comment was very well thought out.
jms_gears1
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Yes, Haiyan started it after he raged at WCA competitions.
As a WCA delegate for China, I fully support the CCA in it's publicly stated goal: helping make organizing competitions easier and spreading cubing in China. There are aspects about China that make organizing competitions more difficult, in my opinion, than in the US. Having a body that can help with competition organization would be great. Should they chose a path that separates themselves from the WCA, I would find that unfortunate, but that's a choice they are free to make.
Regardless of the public statements about the CCA, though, I think it's important to note that organizers of WCA competitions have already privately received threats to not host WCA competitions. This I find unacceptable, and a reason to suspect the intentions of the CCA.
Had the CCA started under other conditions, I would have fully supported it. However, the actions and motivations of some of the people involved leave me skeptical. If those people involved truly had the best interests of the Chinese cubing community at heart, the situation likely wouldn't have evolved as it has.
For those people that say three years or even one year is too long, realize that any ban would likely have the same result, regardless of length. Haiyan has already said that he will not apologize and that he doesn't intend to return to WCA competitions regardless of the ban period. Some two months ago, the situation was "apologize and there will be no ban." Haiyan was given many chances, the result now is due to his own actions, his own choosing.
For people questioning the legitimacy of CCA competitions and records, I do hope that these competitions will be held fairly. Many of the people involved are friends of mine, and I hope that they really just want to hold fair competitions making a fun environment for everyone involved.
I don't doubt Haiyan's incredible speed with BLD. I don't doubt his current world record. I do, however, doubt his honesty with regard to establishing the CCA as a record-holding organization, and his importance within.
In comparing this situation with that of 2007, I can understand a feeling that Haiyan has had less of an impact. While this situation doesn't affect records or competition standings, and from an outside perspective it may look much less significant, there was much more personal involvement in what happened. Realize that Haiyan's actions led a couple people to quit cubing. Realize that his actions have ruined friendships in his push to create a split between himself and the WCA. In addition to threats made, his actions made a much bigger impact on those directly involved than what happened in 2007.
This has been, all along, an issue of personal choice. Haiyan chose not to accept the schedules prepared by competition organizers. He chose to respond aggressively. He chose to disrupt competitions. He chose to take up a microphone and go off on a complaining tirade while others were competing. He chose not to apologize. He chose to cause further disruptions after being told it would lead to a ban. He chose to ignore the temporary ban. He chose to threaten to ruin a competition for over seventy other competitors rather than acknowledge the WCA's decision.
In the end, an individual's actions are their own decision, and they must take responsibility for any consequences.
EDIT: Given that I wasn't present at the television show in question, it's best to not rely on the statements of others. I cannot confirm whether what I said is true or not. If true, someone who knows more say can as much; if not true, I apologize to Haiyan.
Regardless of the public statements about the CCA, though, I think it's important to note that organizers of WCA competitions have already privately received threats to not host WCA competitions. This I find unacceptable, and a reason to suspect the intentions of the CCA.
Had the CCA started under other conditions, I would have fully supported it. However, the actions and motivations of some of the people involved leave me skeptical. If those people involved truly had the best interests of the Chinese cubing community at heart, the situation likely wouldn't have evolved as it has.
For those people that say three years or even one year is too long, realize that any ban would likely have the same result, regardless of length. Haiyan has already said that he will not apologize and that he doesn't intend to return to WCA competitions regardless of the ban period. Some two months ago, the situation was "apologize and there will be no ban." Haiyan was given many chances, the result now is due to his own actions, his own choosing.
For people questioning the legitimacy of CCA competitions and records, I do hope that these competitions will be held fairly. Many of the people involved are friends of mine, and I hope that they really just want to hold fair competitions making a fun environment for everyone involved.
I don't doubt Haiyan's incredible speed with BLD. I don't doubt his current world record. I do, however, doubt his honesty with regard to establishing the CCA as a record-holding organization, and his importance within.
In comparing this situation with that of 2007, I can understand a feeling that Haiyan has had less of an impact. While this situation doesn't affect records or competition standings, and from an outside perspective it may look much less significant, there was much more personal involvement in what happened. Realize that Haiyan's actions led a couple people to quit cubing. Realize that his actions have ruined friendships in his push to create a split between himself and the WCA. In addition to threats made, his actions made a much bigger impact on those directly involved than what happened in 2007.
This has been, all along, an issue of personal choice. Haiyan chose not to accept the schedules prepared by competition organizers. He chose to respond aggressively. He chose to disrupt competitions. He chose to take up a microphone and go off on a complaining tirade while others were competing. He chose not to apologize. He chose to cause further disruptions after being told it would lead to a ban. He chose to ignore the temporary ban. He chose to threaten to ruin a competition for over seventy other competitors rather than acknowledge the WCA's decision.
In the end, an individual's actions are their own decision, and they must take responsibility for any consequences.
EDIT: Given that I wasn't present at the television show in question, it's best to not rely on the statements of others. I cannot confirm whether what I said is true or not. If true, someone who knows more say can as much; if not true, I apologize to Haiyan.
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Tim Major
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... O_O
What is this... man that completely changes EVERYTHING. I can't believe he'd do that. No ban if he apologized? And also the 2nd part.
jiggy
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What I found particularly relevant was this:
=>The CCA are going to claim their records as legitimate
Haiyan does not intend to return to competitions, yet has previously made it clear that his main motivation is to continue breaking records.
=>The CCA are going to claim their records as legitimate
Disregarding the seriousness of this, I'm curious about how he was "threatening" the WCA officials. Does he run some sort of Rubik's cube mafia or something? I'm pretty sure he can't do anything. Even though he has all sorts of fame, I don't think others will agree with things like a fistfight.
joelwong
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oh. ville has a good chance of breaking WRs without haiyan but still 1 year is quite harsh.
Dene
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Doesn't make a difference. Ville and Haiyan are at very similar speeds. It's just that Ville only goes to like 1 competition a year or something
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deadalnix
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Doesn't make a difference. Ville and Haiyan are at very similar speeds. It's just that Ville only goes to like 1 competition a year or something
Haiyan is down to 0 now.
coinman
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I think sports like cubing is good in many ways. One thing i consider as most important is its unification properties. People from al sorts of countries, cultures and religions meet and become friends, both irl and over the internet. Many cubers are young now and in the future this relations can turn out useful in business and other ways.
Therefore i really think it would be a shame if China go for a cubing community of there own instead of sating in the one the rest of the word is using. The fact that china hade more and more official cubing competitions and cubing sites on the internet at least changed my view of how hard restrictions the country have, it felt more open.
And i also wonder why any Chinese cuber at al would rather enter a CCA then a WCA competition, don't they want there times to be official WR if thy are that good?
About Haiyan being banned for at least a year, i think this might be right if he made people quit cubing due to threats. But maybe a strong warning cud have sufficed as a first step. Like if he ever do something like this again he would be banned.
Therefore i really think it would be a shame if China go for a cubing community of there own instead of sating in the one the rest of the word is using. The fact that china hade more and more official cubing competitions and cubing sites on the internet at least changed my view of how hard restrictions the country have, it felt more open.
And i also wonder why any Chinese cuber at al would rather enter a CCA then a WCA competition, don't they want there times to be official WR if thy are that good?
About Haiyan being banned for at least a year, i think this might be right if he made people quit cubing due to threats. But maybe a strong warning cud have sufficed as a first step. Like if he ever do something like this again he would be banned.
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