[Help Thread] ZBLL Discussion and Help

[Endgame]

I would guess that OP has already made up their mind that they would like to at least try ZBLL so why try to persuade them otherwise using what appears to be simply your opinion?

My opinion is strictly my opinion. If he agrees with my opinion, good. If he disagrees with my opinion, good. If my simple opinion and the way I got burned by others changes his mind that just means he didn't even seriously consider learning ZBLL.

This is not the place to debate whether ZBLL is feasible or useful, this is the place to provide useful information for learning ZBLL.

The Speedsolving Wiki is there for a reason.

If you disagree with learning ZBLL, why not find/create a thread in order to discuss the pros and cons of the step rather than dragging this one somewhat off-topic?

I never said I disagree with learning ZBLL. I even said the opposite.

 

[Kirjava]

You agreed with everything I said. Cool.

OP was asking how they could learn it, not whether they should. I would guess that OP has already made up their mind that they would like to at least try ZBLL so why try to persuade them otherwise using what appears to be simply your opinion?

He's trying to inform them to make a better decision as to if he should learn it or not - a good idea considering that lots of new people just learn ZBLL because they think it'll make them faster without knowing what it actually involved.

This is especially important when they don't even know *how* to learn it.

This is not the place to debate whether ZBLL is feasible or useful, this is the place to provide useful information for learning ZBLL. If you disagree with learning ZBLL, why not find/create a thread in order to discuss the pros and cons of the step rather than dragging this one somewhat off-topic?

Nah, we're gonna have that debate here and you're gonna put up with it.

 

[aznanimedude]

Learn coll first if you're going to do zbll, teaches what to be looking for and from there its a few extra stickers to check. Also learn zz if you don't want to bother too much with learning zbls, since it guarantees a last layer cross because of early eo.

 

[Endgame]

Cool. You agreed with everything I said.

What you said actually made sense. I'm just not the type of guy who keeps on arguing just to be right when he knows he's wrong.

 

[Kirjava]

yeah me neither

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[Godmil]

OP was asking how they could learn it, not whether they should.

It's a reasonable point... but if I started a thread asking the best way to get Vasaline into my ZhanChi, I'd hope people would give me more than a straight answer.

 

[ZincK_NOVA]

He's trying to inform them to make a better decision as to if he should learn it or not - a good idea considering that lots of new people just learn ZBLL because they think it'll make them faster without knowing what it actually involved.

This is especially important when they don't even know *how* to learn it.

Whether it's for the right reasons or not, even trying to learn something like ZBLL will have it's benefits. Even if OP gave up after learning a couple of cases, they still could take a way a fresh way of looking at last layer and a few new triggers to experiment with. I'm only able to base this on my personal experience with OLL and 4x4 ELL; I didn't finish learning the entire set but, what I did learn, I found some use for and it did expand my understanding (I probably should go finish learning ELL sometime haha).
Despite this, I do agree that beginners should be warned but, I also feel that they should not be discouraged on the grounds that they are learning it for the wrong reasons.

Nah, we're gonna have that debate here and you're gonna put up with it.

Dang, well I guess my life has been ruined~

 

[Kirjava]

Are you saying that we shouldn't explain to them what is truly involved in learning ZBLL?

You seem to be doing that. Stop it.

 

[Aaronus23]

Well... since you've all been fighting for what is "the best method" The only advice I could find useful was from HoooneyGuy(thx btw)

P.S I dont wish to improve my times or anything of that sort with ZBLL, i just want to learn algs for the fun of it...

 

[Sa967St]

I dont wish to improve my times or anything of that sort with ZBLL, i just want to learn algs for the fun of it...

Oh wow, that's a lot of algs just to learn just for fun.

Anyway, the alg database on the wiki is definitely one of the best sources. Don't necessarily go for all the move optimal algs, though. As for the recognition, breaking it down by COLL cases is probably the best start, then from there you can further divide the subsets the way you want to. I remember Chris Tran mentioning on the Cubecast that after organizing groups of cases onto cue cards, he would be able to remember which case was where and on which card, so the way he broke it down really mattered to him.

 

[Endgame]

Well... since you've all been fighting for what is "the best method" The only advice I could find useful was from HoooneyGuy(thx btw)

P.S I dont wish to improve my times or anything of that sort with ZBLL, i just want to learn algs for the fun of it...

The Speedsolving Wiki is a good point to start, but in the event you can't find any good algorithms there, you can also try to find them here. Feel free to generate your own set of algorithms if you'd like to do so.

 

[Godmil]

Once you have Coll down, I've heard the H set is a good place to start.

 

[A Leman]

whenever I am bored, I try to learn a cll case of ZB. I don't want to rush into it.

From my experience, 2gll was a very easy subset to learn since most of the algs are either really short or sune combos.

you should learn COLL first, since COLL Recognition is very important to Zb and you get practiced at forcing the EO. Coll also allows a 1/12 chance of a PLL skip which is very nice.

 

[PandaCuber]

Man, whos cares about recognition/speed/# of algs.
This is how I see it. Feliks uses CFOP probably because he likes it. And his passion for the method made him one of the best.
Then again I can say the same for Alex Lau. His passion for Roux made him Uber fast at it.
Im sure there will be that one person that will dedicate his/her time to learn those hundreds of algs just cause. Because people can do whatever they want to.
Just cause you cant recognize something, doesnt mean that another person cant either.

Did I leave something out?

 

[uberCuber]

Im sure there will be that one person that will dedicate his/her time to learn those hundreds of algs just cause.

This sounds fun, I'm considering making myself a ZB guinea pig, seeing as I don't particularly care about my speed at the 3x3 event anyway.

 

[PandaCuber]

This sounds fun, I'm considering making myself a ZB guinea pig, seeing as I don't particularly care about my speed at the 3x3 event anyway.

So why not?

 

[Robert-Y]

This sounds fun, I'm considering making myself a ZB guinea pig, seeing as I don't particularly care about my speed at the 3x3 event anyway.

I'm already doing this, since no one particularly fast (except maybe Spef) has attempted to learn full ZB. But I keep getting distracted by other events

 

[Kirjava]

I like how people learn ZB because they don't care about speed anymore.

 

[Ranzha]

I find the optimal ZBLLs to be occasionally useful for FMC. Like (l' U2 R' u2 R B2 U2 R' u2 l U2 R)--possibly one of the jankiest ZBLL algorithms, but 12f*.

 

[irontwig]

loll4calgs, just use insertions, brah.