[Help Thread] ZBLL Discussion and Help

[CubingGenius]

what's the best way to recognize ZBLLs?

I currently use Baum-Harris (looking at FU and RU).

Is there a better way that doesn't requiring AUFing first?

I look at those two and compare the stickers to the FRU corner.

I just learn all the cases from every angle to avoid AUFing. I don't think there's a better way.

 

[shadowslice e]

I look at those two and compare the stickers to the FRU corner.

I just learn all the cases from every angle to avoid AUFing. I don't think there's a better way.

You mean AUFing to recognise right? Because otherwise that would be a reaching jabari level alg set.

 

[CubingGenius]

You mean AUFing to recognise right? Because otherwise that would be a reaching jabari level alg set.

No. I think there are 1944 unique cases and their AUF. I've only learned two COLL sets of T and one of U so far. But because I use ZZ, I would always get ZBLL for LL so it is worth my time to learn them all.

 

[CasualCuber]

How should i start learning zbll and which ones should i learn?

 

[obelisk477]

How should i start learning zbll and which ones should i learn?

If you're someone who easily gives up on things when they get tough, start with H. There are only 40 so it feels like they are easy to power through. If you want easy recognition though, start with U or T. Then move up to L, Pi, H, S, and As

 

[CubingGenius]

How should i start learning zbll and which ones should i learn?

This is good for recognition.

As for what you want to do, probably learn ZBLLs for the slower COLL cases first.

 

[shadowslice e]

How should i start learning zbll and which ones should i learn?

Start with the 2-gen cases for each set then go through H, U, T, L, Pi, S, AS.

 

[CasualCuber]

Which is more beneficial to learn?ZZ-CT or ZBLL?

 

[GenTheSnail]

Which is more beneficial to learn?ZZ-CT or ZBLL?

ZBLL by far.

Even though Chris invented ZZ-CT to fix what was wrong with ZBLL, at their top levels, ZBLL is faster than ZZ-CT.

ZZ-b (ZZLL = Phasing to only Z/H perm + COLL LL, no U-perms) is also a good alternative, with significantly less algorithms than ZBLL.

However, you would probably finish learning CT before ZBLL so you would have more time to practice them.

Either of them are good choices, really.

 

[CubingGenius]

Which is more beneficial to learn?ZZ-CT or ZBLL?

ZBLL is a much better choice than ZZ-CT.

 

[genericcuber666]

ZBLL is a much better choice than ZZ-CT.

Not quite...

 

[Underwatercuber]

I just want to know what set of ZBLL I should learn first. I won't be learning sune or anti sune and I think I will learn H first because it's the smallest set but I just want to know your opinion

 

[sqAree]

I'm learning T first. Why? Because I picked my least favourite COLL alg and thought it would be cool to at least 1-look the rest of the solve if I get a case like that (L' U2 L U' R' U L' U' R2 U' L U R').

 

[Underwatercuber]

Makes sense. If I follow logic I would probably learn the U cases first since I don't like U that much.

 

[TDM]

O

E: then H might be an okay one to do next since it's smaller than the others. T also has some good cases.

 

[Hammer]

Hi, I am planning on learning full ZBLL and I was wondering which alg is best for this case:

L U' L' U2 L U L' U2 L U L' U L U' L'
(U2) R U' R' U2 R U R' U2 R U R' U R U' R
(U') R' U' R U' R' U2 R U R' U2 R U R' U R'

Thanks a lot!

 

[sqAree]

Hi, I am planning on learning full ZBLL and I was wondering which alg is best for this case:

L U' L' U2 L U L' U2 L U L' U L U' L'
(U2) R U' R' U2 R U R' U2 R U R' U R U' R
(U') R' U' R U' R' U2 R U R' U2 R U R' U R'

Thanks a lot!

I use your second one: R U' R' U2 R U R' U2 R U R' U R U' R'.
Speaking from a OH point of view though.

 

[deadalnix]

I'm considering learning the T subset of ZBLL. Recognition is not too bad and number of cases is manageable.

I do not wish to learn full ZBLL as this is too much and I don't think I can drill down all the cases enough for it to be worth it. However, using a subset ensure that you can probably avoid a ton of **** cases during OLL or WV and other ways to influence the LL when finishing F2L.

Is there a list of algs for OLL cases that end up in the last layer oriented or in T somewhere ? It looks like I'm not the first one who wants to go that way.

 

[ECSCuber]

Should I not learn the Sune ZBLLS and just use COLL? To me the Sune ZBLLS seem like they aren't worth it because there is almost 200 algs, and it takes a second to recognize the edges and stuff, for me COLL would seem faster, considering that there is only 12 Sune/Anti-Sune cases. Tell me what you guys think!

 

[shadowslice e]

Eventually, yes. But if you're going to learn ZBLL they can be the ones you learn last.