[Help Thread] ZBLL Discussion and Help

[antoineccantin]

Yay at 60% of non-sune atm
Can sub-3 all algs OH easily too!

 

[Berkmann18]

Yay at 60% of non-sune atm
Can sub-3 all algs OH easily too!

Nice, have you learnt full 2GLL sune set or/and perhaps the L4C/KhLL sune set ?

 

[antoineccantin]

Nice, have you learnt full 2GLL sune set or/and perhaps the L4C/KhLL sune set ?

Nah, the only sunes I know (as in I can easily sub-3 OH ) are the sune/anti-sune + U-perm and niklas/anti-niklas+U-perm/Z-perm/H-perm.

I don't even do sune COLL. I just hate sunes xD

 

[Berkmann18]

Nah, the only sunes I know (as in I can easily sub-3 OH ) are the sune/anti-sune + U-perm and niklas/anti-niklas+U-perm/Z-perm/H-perm.

I don't even do sune COLL. I just hate sunes xD

Oh okay, I wonder why Sune CxLLs are so much hated :s.


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[Petro Leum]

Nah, the only sunes I know (as in I can easily sub-3 OH ) are the sune/anti-sune + U-perm and niklas/anti-niklas+U-perm/Z-perm/H-perm.

I don't even do sune COLL. I just hate sunes xD

what algs do you use for niklas/anti-niklas + H-Perm?

 

[antoineccantin]

what algs do you use for niklas/anti-niklas + H-Perm?

Exactly that
I don't know actual algs.

edit: I just fooled around a little, and actually like these quite a bit: R U R' U R U' R' U' D R2 U' R U' R' U R' U R2 u' and R' U' R U' R' U R y R2 u R' U R U' R u' R2
I'm getting mid 2 on each.

 

[Bindedsa]

Edit: I just fooled around a little, and actually like these quite a bit: R U R' U R U' R' U' D R2 U' R U' R' U R' U R2 u' and R' U' R U' R' U R y R2 u R' U R U' R u' R2

I use that first one, I think I do prefer the second one to the mirror of the first, so thanks for that.

Oh okay, I wonder why Sune CxLLs are so much hated :s.

Sune is fast, it's not as worth it to force an EPLL when compared with how much slower sune COLLs are.

 

[Petro Leum]

Exactly that
I don't know actual algs.

edit: I just fooled around a little, and actually like these quite a bit: R U R' U R U' R' U' D R2 U' R U' R' U R' U R2 u' and R' U' R U' R' U R y R2 u R' U R U' R u' R2
I'm getting mid 2 on each.

those are super long, but quite awesome for onehanded, thanks. what do you do for twohanded? i suppose h-perm + niklas would be faster than any of those algs, or the ones that are on algdb etc.

 

[Berkmann18]

Sune is fast, it's not as worth it to force an EPLL when compared with how much slower sune COLLs are.

Just need some drilling.


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[Egide]

those are super long, but quite awesome for onehanded, thanks. what do you do for twohanded? i suppose h-perm + niklas would be faster than any of those algs, or the ones that are on algdb etc.

l use this one "F U’ R’ F R2 U R’ U’ R U R’ U’ F’ R U R’ F’" for 2h.

 

[OLLiver]

Ok people who have learned full ZBLL
heres a Q for you- what did you find hardest about learning ZBLL?

 

[4Chan]

Two or three of the shapes of the cases make me irrationally angry, so I never learned those cases.

Like, some cases remind me of things, like UFOs or Vanilla, and those cases reminded me of childhood bullies.

 

[OLLiver]

Whats the general consensus on S and As ZBLL cases, considering the Algs for the OLLs are sub 0.4able. I have no doubt about T/U/PI etc. These cases are FABULOUS. But I am questioning ZBLL for S and As. What do the pros say about this? Do you find yourself using ZBLLs for S/As?

 

[Bindedsa]

Whats the general consensus on S and As ZBLL cases, considering the Algs for the OLLs are sub 0.4able. I have no doubt about T/U/PI etc. These cases are FABULOUS. But I am questioning ZBLL for S and As. What do the pros say about this? Do you find yourself using ZBLLs for S/As?

I used to be against them for TH, but I've found myself using them more and more often. It's up to you, I'm still on the fence.

 

[OLLiver]

I used to be against them for TH, but I've found myself using them more and more often. It's up to you, I'm still on the fence.

I guess I will learn them then. otherwise I will have learnt ~350 algorithms but won't be able to say I know full ZBLL which would be annoying and I prefer to finish things.

 

[4Chan]

Personally, I think people should hold off on those cases until they fully commit to ZBLL. Like, 100% long haul commit to it.

If they're absolutely set on it, then I think they should learn sune/antisune.

 

[OLLiver]

Personally, I think people should hold off on those cases until they fully commit to ZBLL. Like, 100% long haul commit to it.

If they're absolutely set on it, then I think they should learn sune/antisune.

I changed my number plate to ZBLL4vr, bought a ZBLL T shirt and my first child is called Zoe Brown Lily Linley. is that commitment?
Just Kidding. I plan to learn the S/As cases last. I think anyone who learns ZBLL is committed because it literally takes months compared to say PLL which is easily learnable in less than a week.

 

[4Chan]

Good luck!

I said that because there's lots of people who learn cases to supplement CFOP, and people who are just testing ZBLL to see.
In both of those situations, I think it's sub-ideal to learn sune/antisune cases.

So yeah, I think you should go for it.

ZBLL T shirt sounds cool btw.

 

[OLLiver]

Good luck!

I said that because there's lots of people who learn cases to supplement CFOP, and people who are just testing ZBLL to see.
In both of those situations, I think it's sub-ideal to learn sune/antisune cases.

So yeah, I think you should go for it.

ZBLL T shirt sounds cool btw.[/QUOTE
Cheers Old Sport! I shall
I swear WHEN I finish it I will make a custom T shirt. LOL
Do you have one?

 

[Millet]

Agreed. If committing to learning ZBLL, S and AS should be learnt at the very end (if at all). I have barely touched S and AS, all I know is basically the standard, the inverse of standard and Niklas, meaning I have no idea how hard/good they are, so take my opinion with a grain of salt

Off topic: recently found a good algorithm for what I view as the worst U-case http://algdb.net/Set/ZBLL%20U/ZBLL%20U%2012: [R F2' U'] R2' U' R U2 R' U' R U' R [U F2' R']. Note that the parts in brackets are inverses of each other. Both F2's are executed with the right hands little+ring finger.

I used to use the R2 F2 R2 U.. one (I view both mirrors as the same), but I always found it slow and hard to learn, so I found this one by generating it with Cube Explorer. Seems no one has found it before.