World Championship 2015 - São Paulo, Brazil - July 17-19, 2015

To that one guy way earlier in the thread who suggested a "NOT Worlds 2015", that suggestion not only is completely disrespectful to the Brasilian cubing community (and likely others), but it completely undermines how the organisation team, delegates, staff, and WCA are trying to enact the spirit of the WCA by holding Worlds in Brasil in the first place.

I didn't mean to be disrespectful to the Brazilian cubing community, only to those who decided to hold WC 2015 there. It's good for them that they get a chance to expand and I think they will organize a great competition.
I think holding WC in Brazil is a bad idea because many top cubers won't be there and this, as other people have already pointed out, will make the WC title less valuable.
What does it mean to be the world champion for, lets say, 3BLD, if you can't even get to podium in a random polish competition?
 
I didn't mean to be disrespectful to the Brazilian cubing community, only to those who decided to hold WC 2015 there. It's good for them that they get a chance to expand and I think they will organize a great competition.
I think holding WC in Brazil is a bad idea because many top cubers won't be there and this, as other people have already pointed out, will make the WC title less valuable.
What does it mean to be the world champion for, lets say, 3BLD, if you can't even get to podium in a random polish competition?

And why do you think many of the top cubers will not be there?
 
And why do you think many of the top cubers will not be there?

As I have explained many times in this thread already.

Many top cubers already live in Europe Asia and NA and only very few live in South America.
That's why it's more likely to get top cubers to come if Worlds is organized near the place most of them live.
 
Not everyone can afford tickets. Not everyone has a sponsor. For example, Rami has already said he won't be there (thought he may change is mind in the next 10 months). Isn't he a top 2x2x2er?

If he can't afford a plane ticket to Brazil, do you think he can afford one to Europe or Asia?

As I have explained many times in this thread already.

Many top cubers already live in Europe Asia and NA and only very few live in South America.
That's why it's more likely to get top cubers to come if Worlds is organized near the place most of them live.

I know, but why does this make a difference? Wherever it's being held, the majority of people will have to travel long distances and yes, this might put people off, but does this matter? In Las Vegas, many of the top Asian cubers were absent. but nobody said this devaluated the competition. And is there actually a place that can be considered to be "near the place most of them live"? I think enough top cubers will go, because it's worlds and people are more willing to take the extra effort for that.
 
I think holding WC in Brazil is a bad idea because many top cubers won't be there and this, as other people have already pointed out, will make the WC title less valuable.

Holding the WC in Brazil will motivate more of the Brazilian and South American cubers who are close to world class to practice to become world class. This increases the quality of competition worldwide.

What does it mean to be the world champion for, lets say, 3BLD, if you can't even get to podium in a random polish competition?

The title World Champion does not mean "best in the world" in our community, it means "the person who won the final round of an event at that year's world championship".

I can use your argument to say that every world champion's title is watered down, because in all cases there surely was at least one cuber who was world class or near to it who could have gotten lucky solves or had stronger nerves than the person who did win.

Using your argument, I will define a world champion as being a "pure" world champion only when they win at worlds and every single competitor in the WCA database was present and competed in that event. Even that is not fully "pure" because of the people in the world who know how to solve the cube who have never even heard of the WCA were not present. So even that world champion's title is "less valuable" to use your terminology.

Take your argument to its extreme and you will see that every world title is "less valuable" in some respect.

Every choice of location for the World Championship in the past has made some people angry, and every world championship has had world class cubers who could not attend. This is what happens when you host world competitions, and it is an inherent part of our sport. This choice of venue does a lot of good for our community in that it will have a significant increase in popularity of cubing in South America, as well as in the world class quality of the south american cubers. By your definition this means that some of the world champion titles may be "less valuable" this time around (I don't think so, but you seem to), but that will also make the level of competition much higher when the newly world class South American cubers travel to worlds in 2017, 2019, etc..

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Take the long term view, not the short term view.

I think that the overall benefit to the cubing community of hosting worlds in South America in 2015 is far greater than any "loss in value" of any particular world champion title in 2015.

Using your criteria, every world champion title ever awarded is "less valuable"
 
To all the people worried about the watering down of the world championship title due to lack of competition, Feliks, Mats and I are all planning on going. 3x3 - 7x7 will most definitely not be "easy."

I'm excited for worlds in Brazil.
 
Take your argument to its extreme and you will see that every world title is "less valuable" in some respect.

That is true but we don't live in an ideal world so that's not really possible for every (top tier) cuber to participate, BUT we shouldn't make it even "less valuable" than necessary by placing the competition far away from (almost) every top tier cuber in the world?
 
That is true but we don't live in an ideal world so that's not really possible for every (top tier) cuber to participate, BUT we shouldn't make it even "less valuable" than necessary by placing the competition far away from (almost) every top tier cuber in the world?

This will be a great opportunity for those willing to travel to see a part of the world they might never see. It's a great chance for Brasil to promote its cubing community, at the cost of making putting it in a convenient place for SOME cubers (it will never be in a convenient place for MOST cubers). In my eyes, it's worth that tradeoff and then some.
 
That is true but we don't live in an ideal world so that's not really possible for every (top tier) cuber to participate, BUT we shouldn't make it even "less valuable" than necessary by placing the competition far away from (almost) every top tier cuber in the world?

Do you agree that by always hosting worlds in USA, Europe, or Asia that the number of world class cubers in South America would remain less than if we host worlds in South America in 2015?

Would you agree that if we host worlds in 2015 in South America, that this would increase the number of world class cubers from that area who may attend worlds in 2017, 2019, etc.?

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By the way, here is my paraphrase of the argument you and others are giving:

We should keep worlds this year in USA/Europe/Asia because the best cubers live there. We shouldn't care that people from South America have had to travel very far for worlds in 1982, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2013, and now 2015 because not enough of them are world class enough to matter.
 
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We should keep worlds this year in USA/Europe/Asia because the best cubers live there. We shouldn't care that people from South America have had to travel very far for worlds in 1982, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2013, and now 2015 because not enough of them are world class enough to matter.

From a forum dominated by Americans and Europeans, what kind of opinion did you expect?
 
the venue says "ETAPA" explanation please?

That's the name of the school we'll use. (for free, I might add...and they'll even pay for some costs)

About the London flights, it looks like Kayak is indeed not reporting the correct price. If you go to the Lufthansa website, total cost seems to be 740 euro, which is 989 dollars.
 
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That is true but we don't live in an ideal world so that's not really possible for every (top tier) cuber to participate, BUT we shouldn't make it even "less valuable" than necessary by placing the competition far away from (almost) every top tier cuber in the world?

Dude stop it. You're irrelevant. Who are you? No one knows. Are you a member of the board ? No. Are you coming? I doubt by such a stupid comments that you have wrote in here.
I'm sure the wca board made their homework and that they are sure we can make this happen otherwise they would have maybe chosen somewhere else. If you can't see, most people are looking forward to this comp, so please free to leave now.
Top cubers always go to Worlds regardless of where that is. Just go and check the wca database.
And once again... Your comment about "placing the competition far away" is even more stupid. Go check some other posts that you will have some answers. Stop just looking at some real map instead of making calculation of distance.
 
Website of school where will happen the championship:
College where will happen the championship

Some Hostels website around the champs place:
http://www.3dogshostelsaopaulo.com
http://ocahostel.com.br
http://www.tahhostel.com/index.php
http://www.olahostel.com/index.html

Somebody ask about places to visit in Sao Paulo and the Paulista Avenue is not far from the champs place.

The Ibirapuera Park is 25 or 30 min walking and the Etapa School is close to the Ana Rosa Subway Station.

GRU (Cumbica International Airport) is in other city and the cheap way to come to Sao Paulo is taking a bus called Metrô Tatuapé (Tatuapé Subway - is not easy to find, then need to ask to somebody) until the last stop.

From Tatuapé Subway Station until Ana Rosa Station:

Red line to Barra Funda - until Sé Station (5 stations)
Change to
Blue line to Jabaquara - until Ana Rosa Station (5 stations)

Map of Sao Paulo Subway:
http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/pdf/mapa-da-rede-metro.pdf
 
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