Why I am now Color Netural

[Kirjava]

About 17.xx. Now I have to race to sub-20 again!

so you're not actually colour neutral yet

 

[teller]

so you're not actually colour neutral yet

I think your definition implies recognition being nearly balanced across all colors, and you're right, I am not (yet). But why make that distinction? That's like saying you're not really doing Roux if you suck at it.

 

[Kirjava]

I think your definition implies recognition being nearly balanced across all colors, and you're right, I am not (yet). But why make that distinction?

Because otherwise any cuber could consider themselves colour neutral.

 

[teller]

Because otherwise any cuber could consider themselves colour neutral.

I suppose so, but if there were a competition tomorrow I would not used fixed cross. And then people would think I was silly when I told them I was just pretending.

Cubers are so nit-picky about definitions.

 

[Godmil]

I guess colour neutral could suggest 1) There is no significant speed difference between starting on different colours or 2) you are willing to choose any colour.
Teller seems to be going for the latter.

I like the idea of colour neutrality, but I'm not going to go for it. I think it would take me months to get to the speed I'm at now, and I'm not sure there is a benefit greater than just having spent that time on normal practice. (Same reason I'll never learn ZB but on a bigger scale)

 

[Kirjava]

Cubers are so nit-picky about definitions.

Sorry if you feel so attacked, just giving my opinion on the matter.

I didn't consider myself colour neutral with CFOP until I had surpassed my dual colour averages.

Colour neutral means that using different colours doesn't affect your ability.

 

[jrb]

Yay! Color neutrality is awesome

 

[AustinReed]

I decided to try a color neutral average of 100 last night. I got a 19.xx. Those were the first solves trying to be color neutral. I think that it is a lot easier than I thought it would be. You just have to manually think of the "formula" for f2l pieces: Corner-cross color=edge it pairs with. I may consider switching.

 

[jrb]

I decided to try a color neutral average of 100 last night. I got a 19.xx.

Normal average?

 

[Vinny]

Most people think that switching to color neutral means that you will waste too much time during inspection, too. However, after you get used to finding the best cross each time, it doesn't really waste that much time at all. I can admit, my friends who are color neutral take less inspection time, but I don't take nearly enough time to go over 15 seconds. I'm sure that while switching to color neutrality, your inspection may take a long time, but that time will eventually go down once you get more accustomed to color neutrality.

 

[collinbxyz]

Wow, I have honestly never really needed to switch. If I remember correctly, I became color neutral when I originally learned CFOP... It just seems natural to me, and I had no idea that so many people weren't color neutral!!!

Basically, I just look for the easiest cross, put that side on the bottom (obviously) then remember that color during F2L... Sorry if that whole statement either was so extremely obvious and worthless, or too complicate...

Color neutriality is only annoying for me during team bld when someone else is calling, and its a long cross sorta thing. Maybe ill do a vid on this somehow. Any ideas dor what I could do though?

*sorry for spelling mistakes. This was all typed from my phone*

 

[AustinReed]

Normal average?

Like, low 13

 

[teller]

@Kir Not at all. Perhaps a qualifier would helpful for either the CN-in-training or the CN-complete, but at some point in between you're really doing it comfortably and never looking back.

@AustinReed: Manual eventually becomes automatic. I don't know quite when it happened, but if I'm doing, say, a green cross, I don't think about it anymore during F2L--it's as if green was always my color and I just go. I'd like to know if you feel a spike in F2L recognition after doing this for awhile. I have a theory that complex F2L is affected more by the new connections than simple F2L and I'm interested any anecdotal evidence from people who are in the process of switching.

@collinbxyz: There is a dearth of information about cross selection. If you shoot anything, describe what you look for and why. For example, one thing I've hooked onto is any side that already has a piece in place, but I'll abandon it if the other 3 are poorly oriented.

 

[antoineccantin]

Wow, yes. I didn't even mention blockbuilding, but it's another first-class edge. I nudged my best student to be color neutral even though I wasn't, and he is like a fish in water with an orange cross. Good spawn!

Me too! (That is my main cross colour)

 

[Kirjava]

@Kir Not at all. Perhaps a qualifier would helpful for either the CN-in-training or the CN-complete, but at some point in between you're really doing it comfortably and never looking back.

I can comfortably use any method. I'm not method neutral.

 

[jms_gears1]

I can comfortably use any method. I'm not method neutral.

Maybe the definition of colour neutrality should be brought up in the 'terms need fixing' thread.
It seems that what defines whether one is CN or not is fairly vague.

 

[Kirjava]

Disagree. I think the definition I gave is perfectly valid.

 

[jms_gears1]

Disagree. I think the definition I gave is perfectly valid.

I think I like godmils definition. I would say that even if you are not equally proficient with all colors, as long as you are picking what color to 'start' with based on the easiest case. Then I would consider that to be CN

 

[tx789]

I some how manged to go colour nearal with little practice. I go for white still but I can slove colour neutral. SOme F2L slots are still a bit iffy (before being colour neaural the hardest thing to solve quickly and the olny was F2L)

 

[wontolla]

...as long as you are picking what color to 'start' with based on the easiest case. Then I would consider that to be CN

Every cuber can do that, and that doesn't mean we are all colour neutral.

I'm solving with a blue cross at this moment, but I'm definitely not CN.