When will the 3x3 WR be broken?

[nlCuber22]

In most East Asian cultures that I am aware of, the last name is written first. I know this is true for major countries like China, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam.

But when people register themselves in the WCA database, they just get confused in general. Some people register themselves as last-first and others first-last. The worst, i.e. most confusing, cases happen in countries like Malaysia and Singapore, where last names are not uncommonly written in the middle, I'm not even kidding.

For example, Jonathan Tan Wei Xiat's last name is Tan. In English, his first name is Jonathan; his middle name(s) is(are) Wei Xiat. In Chinese, his first name is Wei Xiat; no middle names; Jonathan doesn't exist in his Chinese name.

Woah you just pulled my name out from no where o_O
In Malaysia most Chinese don't even have legal English names XD We put it there for the fun of it.

Piti has to break it. Hassss to.

Why are you shown as 4.07 years old on statistics? o_O

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

Yeah wtf? o_O Lol I didn't see that.

 

[qqwref]

For example, Jonathan Tan Wei Xiat's last name is Tan. In English, his first name is Jonathan; his middle name(s) is(are) Wei Xiat. In Chinese, his first name is Wei Xiat; no middle names; Jonathan doesn't exist in his Chinese name.

I've heard of this before. Why do you do this? Is it just to confuse people? Do you want to have your name as long as possible? I would say that you should either choose "Jonathan Tan" or "Tan Wei Xiat", but then, I am not Asian...

Perhaps in future we should do some kind of underlining or capitalization for people's last names, so that we (and the WCAID) know what to name people by. It is not always OK to assume the last space-delimited string is the last name, I guess.

 

[mati rubik]

In most East Asian cultures that I am aware of, the last name is written first. I know this is true for major countries like China, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam.

But when people register themselves in the WCA database, they just get confused in general. Some people register themselves as last-first and others first-last. The worst, i.e. most confusing, cases happen in countries like Malaysia and Singapore, where last names are not uncommonly written in the middle, I'm not even kidding.

For example, Jonathan Tan Wei Xiat's last name is Tan. In English, his first name is Jonathan; his middle name(s) is(are) Wei Xiat. In Chinese, his first name is Wei Xiat; no middle names; Jonathan doesn't exist in his Chinese name.

My full name is Matias Ignacio Macaya Peña, so I have 4 names, Matias (first name), Ignacio (middle name), Macaya (my dad's last name) and Peña (my mom's last name), so, what's my name?

Harris Chan. We've been waiting for over 2 years!
Robert Yau. When computer cubes are allowed in competition.

+1, Robert Yau is crazy at computer cubes

Chan is good, but Tomasz is insane

 

[rowehessler]

When rowe wins a competition all records will be broken

lol no but thanks for the support

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

I've heard of this before. Why do you do this? Is it just to confuse people? Do you want to have your name as long as possible? I would say that you should either choose "Jonathan Tan" or "Tan Wei Xiat", but then, I am not Asian...

Perhaps in future we should do some kind of underlining or capitalization for people's last names, so that we (and the WCAID) know what to name people by. It is not always OK to assume the last space-delimited string is the last name, I guess.

I don't know about other people, but my proper name is Tan Wei Xiat, its a Chinese name. In Chinese tradition the family sir name comes first (Tan), followed by the given name (Wei Xiat). So if I were to register in a western country I would be Wei Xiat Tan (lol). The English name was given to me by my mother, I don't know why, but it stuck on, and its way easier for other people(namely Malays and Indians in Malaysia) to call me Jon/Jonathan than Wei Xiat. Even some Chinese can't pronounce the Xiat properly.

 

[blah]

For example, Jonathan Tan Wei Xiat's last name is Tan. In English, his first name is Jonathan; his middle name(s) is(are) Wei Xiat. In Chinese, his first name is Wei Xiat; no middle names; Jonathan doesn't exist in his Chinese name.

I've heard of this before. Why do you do this? Is it just to confuse people? Do you want to have your name as long as possible? I would say that you should either choose "Jonathan Tan" or "Tan Wei Xiat", but then, I am not Asian...

You're absolutely right about the either/or thing. That's the whole point - NOT to confuse people. When English-speakers ask him what his name is, he'd say "Jonathan Tan;" when Chinese-speakers ask, he'd say "Tan Wei Xiat." So Jonathan Tan Wei Xiat kinda makes it flow well in both directions.

It's not all Asians who do it I'm only aware of us Malaysians/Singaporeans doing this ridiculous stuff. They even do it kinda differently in Singapore but I won't go into that because it's gonna be even more confusing. It's just a result of globalization - we interact so much with Eastern and Western peoples, equally, that it's impossible to decide to whom we should make our names "sound more comfortable," so we just come up with some sort of compromise to solve the problem I guess.

Perhaps in future we should do some kind of underlining or capitalization for people's last names, so that we (and the WCAID) know what to name people by. It is not always OK to assume the last space-delimited string is the last name, I guess.

Yeah I'd say there's some serious confusion going on about this. These two guys are both from China, both have the same transliterated English last name Li (I wouldn't go so far as to assume they have the same Chinese last name), but they're registered differently:
http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2008LILI02
http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2009HAOM01

 

[Tim Major]

Did i miss something or Feliks is really that consistent? I know his times at home but we all know that doing the same in competition is taking for a while. Think about Breandan, Tomasz or even Erik what results they get in their first competitions due to their times at home. Or just think of yourself.

Don't get me wrong, i know he is good, but i think saying that he will break the average WR next time is a bit rash, he has only ONE better single then the average world record.

I do think he has a potential, but i think it's going to take like 7-8 competitions for him as it took for everyone else. (Yes, i know Yu Nakajima broke the average WR on his 4th competition.)

And yes, maybe i'm wrong.

Yes, but we've had many meetups, a few competitions, and even though they were unofficial, they would have similar amounts of pressure. I don't really think faz will break the single record (though you were wrong, he's broken it more than once) but I still think he has a big chance for average.

 

[qqwref]

My full name is Matias Ignacio Macaya Peña, so I have 4 names, Matias (first name), Ignacio (middle name), Macaya (my dad's last name) and Peña (my mom's last name), so, what's my name?

It is a question of me asking you, not you asking me. When you register you should decide whether you want your WCAID to start with maca or pena or what. That is, the organizers should not have to guess - you should tell them what your family name is. Apparently it's just not something you can do with an algorithm, but something you have to ask people individually.

It's not all Asians who do it I'm only aware of us Malaysians/Singaporeans doing this ridiculous stuff. They even do it kinda differently in Singapore but I won't go into that because it's gonna be even more confusing. It's just a result of globalization - we interact so much with Eastern and Western peoples, equally, that it's impossible to decide to whom we should make our names "sound more comfortable," so we just come up with some sort of compromise to solve the problem I guess.

Not much of a compromise, though, if you are confusing people with it! It's kind of like when they announce things in multiple languages on an airplane or whatever, it's OK to clearly differentiate and say, here's the English text, here's the Spanish... but it's not OK to interleave the two languages and hope that people know what the right parts to read/hear are, and that's pretty much what the 4-name system seems to be doing.

In America what we do is pretty much choose one formal name and go with it, even if people can't pronounce it (but hey, it's not just Asian names that people can't pronounce, tons of people have a problem with my German one); and then if you want you have a nickname which friends call you. So for example there was a cuber from my school named Muzhou Wang (last name at the end) but everyone called him Mitchell (his nickname or English name). This way is far better in my opinion - if he'd been Mitchell Wang Muzhou I think everyone would've been extra confused by that.

 

[ElderKingpin]

chuck norris. no question about it

 

[Stefan]

When you register you should decide whether you want your WCAID to start with maca or pena or what.

Why do you care? If you want to address someone, just pick what you think is appropriate. If you're wrong, he/she can correct you or suck it up.

 

[qqwref]

When you register you should decide whether you want your WCAID to start with maca or pena or what.

Why do you care? If you want to address someone, just pick what you think is appropriate. If you're wrong, he/she can correct you or suck it up.

How could you possibly have a problem with people wanting to get something right the first time? Besides, it takes a lot more time to correct everyone who interprets your name wrong than to just specify what part is the last name.

 

[oskarasbrink]

i think Tomasz or Piti. they seem to have the nerves for it.

 

[Stefan]

Why do you care? If you want to address someone, just pick what you think is appropriate. If you're wrong, he/she can correct you or suck it up.

How could you possibly have a problem with people wanting to get something right the first time?

I don't have a problem, I just asked why you have one, and explained why I don't get it and how you could deal with it.

 

[JackJ]

This thread is a lot bigger than I thought it would be... haha