When to learn ZB method?

[joey]

Mizzle: I think you are basically explaining ZZ.

 

[Lofty]

That is very similar to ZZ which I also find very interesting. I haven't tried it for speed yet but have done a few solves with it. (not with the LL of course).
I think Zbigniew Zborowski permutes two edges with the last pair instead of orienting corners to cut down on the cases.

 

[Johannes91]

Everyone naysays because everyone's afraid of it.

For the record, I'm not "afraid" of ZB. I just think it makes more sense to use effective methods instead of insisting on Fridrich and trying to desperately improve it (ZB, multislotting...). If solving 2 pieces at a time isn't enough for you, then maybe switching to another method would be a good idea.

 

[mizzle]

First of all, I agree. I'm all for exploring new methods. I hate that no one is looking into new methods, because people are desperately clinging to Fridrich. I mean...I'm pretty sure I hold the world record for most methods used in a single competition. Five methods over five solves. Of course, I'm still super 20 on a few of those, but I'm working on it...

The way I see it, though, this is less an extension of Fridrich than it is borrowing what's useful and dispensing with what's not. Fridrich is nice because of the simplicity, and the fact that it's been explored and done to death. But we can do more.

As for ZZ, this is the first time I've ever even heard mention of it, and I'm curious. Can anyone elaborate?

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

when I should learn ZB?... never. :] I plan on breaking all the records without it, lol

 

[Lofty]

ZZ is pretty much the new method you described mizzle. I know there is a website for it but it is in polish and has so many applets on one page it crashes my browser most of the time.
Orient all edges and solve FD and BD then while finishing f2l make sure the front and back edges are permutated then use the ZBLL alg. I don't know all the details because i don't speak polish but if you can get the page up without your browser crashing there are loads of cool applets to play with and watch.

 

[mizzle]

The difference is that this method that I'm describing does something different with the final pair, and uses a wildly different ZB subset for the LL.

Also, how long has that ZZ thing been around? I came up with this (we've been calling it M3) almost two years ago.

 

[Lofty]

I found the site, it is here:
http://www.speedcubing.com.pl/nooks_zz.htm
You can try to translate if you would like to find out when Mr. Zborowski came up with it.
And yes I understand the difference...

 

[ChromisElda]

I found the site, it is here:
http://www.speedcubing.com.pl/nooks_zz.htm
You can try to translate if you would like to find out when Mr. Zborowski came up with it.
And yes I understand the difference...

WARNING:
Wow that is one big site. my browser didn't crash, but had a lag when scrolling, estimate about a second lag to scroll down 3 - 4 lines of the . Then again, my computer's processor isn't that great.