WCA Announcement on BLD

[Swordsman Kirby]

[name removed] Should be banned FOREVER. he is a DISGRACE, a LIAR, a THIEF. So why should ANYTHING BE HARSH? HE DESERVES IT!!!!!!

Why you are so Arrogant to him? Is it based of he is GREAT with 4x4x4, 5x5x5.3x3x3 OH ?he should be banned ____FOREVER___ ? reminds me to The Gladiator , where the people yelling out : kill him kill him kill him !,even the third countries have Law Systems .

"I don't know how the three/two years were decided. What's your basis for saying three years seems too much? In my personal opinion, I don't want to see him again. Ever.".

You don't have to see him because i think HE DOESN"T want to see you either

lol gladiator

I think the punishment is unjust...

It should be longer than three years.

 

[MarcusStuhr]

lol ancient Rome

"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"

 

[MiloD]

[name removed] Should be banned FOREVER. he is a DISGRACE, a LIAR, a THIEF. So why should ANYTHING BE HARSH? HE DESERVES IT!!!!!!

Why you are so Arrogant to him? Is it based of he is GREAT with 4x4x4, 5x5x5.3x3x3 OH ?he should be banned ____FOREVER___ ? reminds me to The Gladiator , where the people yelling out : kill him kill him kill him !,even the third countries have Law Systems .

"I don't know how the three/two years were decided. What's your basis for saying three years seems too much? In my personal opinion, I don't want to see him again. Ever.".

You don't have to see him because i think HE DOESN"T want to see you either

Just pretend derrick doesn't exist. He has nothing worthwhile to say.

 

[Ton]

I was and I am very sad about this issue, as organizer I assumed always fair play. I encounterd only one unfair player in the past. But this issue opens my eyes to be even more strict on all rules.

But we must remeber [name removed] is only 14, this is why I think the WCA ruling is fair. I now have an extra medail. But still I feel very bad for all the cubers in the WC2007 who did not get the proper credits for the blindfold events.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Why you are so Arrogant to him? Is it based of he is GREAT with 4x4x4, 5x5x5.3x3x3 OH ?he should be banned ____FOREVER___ ? reminds me to The Gladiator , where the people yelling out : kill him kill him kill him !,even the third countries have Law Systems .

"I don't know how the three/two years were decided. What's your basis for saying three years seems too much? In my personal opinion, I don't want to see him again. Ever.".

You don't have to see him because i think HE DOESN"T want to see you either

Just pretend derrick doesn't exist. He has nothing worthwhile to say.

Really... nothing worthwhile? thats why i said [name removed] was a cheater from the start huh? and look at that i was right! even though it got everyone mad at me, insulting me, and shunning me out just because i didn't go along with the stereotypical ones on here and kiss matyas's a**, and you know why i did this, cause i actually care about the FAIRNESS and decency in cubing! and if i get ripped apart and constantly insulted for that, than so be it.

 

[FU]

I think that 3 years is a fair punishment, but he should be allowed to compete again after 3 years only if he adheres to one last condition: admit to his mistakes and apologize.

 

[Stefan]

But we must remeber [name removed] is only 14

15 (not a huge difference, but let's just get it right)

 

[Crazycubemom]

Really... nothing worthwhile? thats why i said [name removed] was a cheater from the start huh? and look at that i was right! even though it got everyone mad at me, insulting me, and shunning me out just because i didn't go along with the stereotypical ones on here and kiss matyas's a**, and you know why i did this, cause i actually care about the FAIRNESS and decency in cubing! and if i get ripped apart and constantly insulted for that, than so be it.

This is not the point , no one on this forum disagree, nobody kiss a**, it is just the way you write, you are rude , we like a fair judgement we do not need to be rude, we may be angry and upset, And you have all the right to be angry. But have some respect for other cubers , Joel , Stephan they have observe and analyse the issue as expert. This issue should in the first place handled by the WCA on like this in this public forum btw Milan started the topic not you.

 

[Mike Hughey]

One thing I'm really not sure I agree with is the statement that has been made a few times in this and other threads that this issue shouldn't have been handled in a public forum like this. Would the cheating have been discovered if Milán had gone straight to the WCA with the problem? I have my doubts. Milán's evidence was purely circumstantial, and while it did cause some curiosity, I certainly didn't think it was sufficient evidence for any kind of conclusion. Since the WCA board consists of people who are generally rather busy anyway, the question is, would they have then undertaken what Joël did, actually seeking out videos and reconstructing solves to look for further evidence? (I certainly would not have expected them to - I think that would be above and beyond the call of duty for them - admirable if they took the time to do it, but certainly not expected.) If not, then it would seem likely that going through the channels would have led to the cheating not being discovered. Without discussing in a public forum like this, I'm not sure this ever would have been found out.

How do we know what topics are and are not acceptable on this forum? Is this really not a free-speech forum? How does one know when they cross the line?

 

[Kenny]

1) He's gonna retire and probably isn't gonna be back. But he's gonna pass on his knowledge 'bout BLD solving and your asses are gonna be freaking kicked.

2) I still think he's not a cheater.

3) Derrick, you're an a**, you're acting like a 3 years old boy. Try to act like an adult, damn it! I don't have any problem with the posts of Joel, Stefan etc. but yours are just absolutely disgusting, damn it.

4) M***n can kiss my ass.

 

[tim]

2) I still think he's not a cheater.

Why?

3) Derrick, you're an a**, you're acting like a 3 years old boy. Try to act like an adult, damn it! I don't have any problem with the posts of Joel, Stefan etc. but yours are just absolutely disgusting, damn it.

Uhm that's true, except the "ass" part .

 

[Hadley4000]

Derek. I get that you're angry, and that's fine that you are. But dude, seriously.

I don't think that [name removed] will ever admit it.

 

[sheriff]

1) He's gonna retire and probably isn't gonna be back. But he's gonna pass on his knowledge 'bout BLD solving and your asses are gonna be

Who do you think you are? hahahahahahahaha, what tells u he doesn't cheat? have you seen reconstructions? hahahaha. pass on his knowledge? where? when? hahahah.....

 

[Bounb]

It's a shame someone would cheat like this, at least he got caught.

 

[MarcusStuhr]

It's pretty obvious that he cheated, and anyone who is still doubtful of this is probably not aware of the implications of what he was caught doing. If you're able to discover that you messed up in a blindfoldsolve, you aren't going to re-track multiple pieces and re-solve them all directly.

When you mess up during a blindsolve, you:
1. Either realize this through inconsistencies between your applied algorithms and your memorization and usually undo the incorrect moves (usually in the form of fixing setup moves or using reverse algorithms if you cycled something the wrong direction)
2. Don't discover it and you DNF

Most people would simply fix the setup moves if they messed those up, like the competitor did. Even if one WERE able to track so many pieces as a result of an error in undoing setups, they'd still realize that the simple solution is to fix the setup moves. Also, the fact that he messed up and used tricky turns of the cube to see what needed to be done further indicates visual aid. Either way, there's no real reason why anyone would do what was done on that particular solve unless he was, in fact, not really solving it blind.

 

[guusrs]

I think we should also blame the WCA making such cheating possible.
The WCA regulations started as a description of the cube-games. But history learns when worldtitles, money and eternal fame is involved people or countries (former DDR) can do strange things (use enhancing drugs) to get to the top.

No cuber ever signed for a contractor document for respecting the WCA regulations before entering a competition. We just played a game, the winner got money and became a hero. A 14/15-year old boy cheating opposite the whole cube-community was just very smart, not against any law, not a crime. Because of his age I think he did not fully realize how he damaged others, stole money, what impact it would have on his live when get caught. In my opinion 2 years of suspension from all WCA-events is too much for this kid.

And there should be a clause about how he could shorten the suspension by giving back the money, admitting he cheated, making excuses to competitor he harmed. We may expect such regrettable actions from him when he will grow older, be wiser. How will we react then?

Gus

 

[Derrick Eide17]

okay it seems like every post i put concerning this matter it upsets other people and i come off rude somehow? believe me everyone i am not trying to be rude/insult ANYONE on this forum at all. my anger fully, and is only really all pointed towards "You know who" himself, and its obvious why, its just when people find something that angers me so much too harsh for "You know who" it really upsets me because i take cubing so seriously. But also understand its not just me, i have been insulted and talked down to on this forum too. Besides all that though from before, and from now on im sorry if anyone is offended by what i say/have said, this matter is just very sensitive to me, and i TRULY appreciate the people who at least understand where im coming from. Thanks for listening.

Derrick.

 

[blade740]

I believe he cheated. The proof is too overwhelming. However, I also believe that he is skilled. He is, without a doubt, one of the fastest solvers of our era. He has held many world records completely unrelated to BLD, records that are impossible to cheat. The ruling allows him to apply for reinstatement after 2 years, with cooperation. This means, at the least, admitting he cheated. Returning the prize money would be great, but he probably spent it, and has no way of making it back. I think if he confesses, apologizes, and explains why he can't repay the prize money, he can come back and show what he's got. if he doesn't quit cubing, he will probably practice hard and come back and take over.

 

[Radu]

derrick stay cool...you're totally right.

it's embarassing to find all kind of excuses and to still support BEEEP (as some do) after all what happened and after all the proofs known at the moment,

 

[Dene]

Mr. Eide, I still think you're a [word that I'm not going to use] for completely disregarding PJK's decision to leave any names out of this. By doing this, you shame the person involved even more, and disrespect the authority of these forums that you use.