Viable Sub-steps which Compliment CFOP

[95Rifles]

Hello there,

I know over half of the OLL algs and I am in the process of learning the rest but that is not what my thread is about.

I am wondering what various sub-steps there are that would compliment CFOP. I have looked into ELS and CLS, also F2LL and VHF2L. I'm not exactly sure where to go from here. I haven't learned any of these steps and I am looking for some guidance. I read somewhere on here that F2LL has been discarded by some for being too slow and inefficient.

I was wondering are there any useful sub-steps that I can learn once I have finished the OLL algs,

Many thanks,
Ali

 

[PandaCuber]

You can try COLL if you want. Helpful when edges are already oriented.
Well helpful for me atleast.

 

[Godmil]

There is OLLCP which influences the corners for PLL (such as avoiding diagonal swaps e.g. N, V, Y perms). But other than that and COLL most of the fast people don't seem to bother with many of the weird sub steps. OLL/PLL is pretty fast.

 

[95Rifles]

Thanks for the quick replies!

Well I might look at OLLCP, I want to get faster with Roux so I suppose that COLL would help me in that respect.

It's a shame I really want something that will let me do a bit more in solves, currently partial edge control is as extreme as it gets...

 

[PandaCuber]

Many of the CMLLs that I learned happened to be COLL aswell.

Look at Petrus?

 

[JianhanC]

Blockbuilding and X-Crosses?

 

[skeletonboy]

Thanks for the quick replies!

Well I might look at OLLCP, I want to get faster with Roux so I suppose that COLL would help me in that respect.

It's a shame I really want something that will let me do a bit more in solves, currently partial edge control is as extreme as it gets...

300 algorithms for OLLCP!

 

[Godmil]

300 algorithms for OLLCP!

Yeah but nobody does it all, as far as I can tell people just know the odd alternative OLL which can guarantee avoiding a diagonal swap.

 

[Kirjava]

Yeah but nobody does it all

*ahem*

 

[Jaycee]

Yeah but nobody does it all

I think Kirjava knows it all. Whether he uses it or not I'm not sure. :O

-_____- Ninja'd.

 

[Godmil]

*ahem*

Really? O_o

 

[Kirjava]

Yeah, I mostly just use it for CFOP though.

 

[Escher]

Really? O_o

I thought everybody knew he knows full OLLCP now?

Oh well

 

[95Rifles]

I would look at Petrus but I'm getting far enough into CFOP for me not to want to switch.

OLLCP seems to have far too many cases, I don't have the time. There isn't any way to force an OLL skip or PLL skip then?
I love learning new things about the cube, new ways of solving that I can, in some cases, add on to my technique that can help. For example look at an OLL and think I could OLL it but if I do this, bam, I have a PLL skip or a case something like that.

It's not that I think it will speed me up instantly to sub 10 it's just having the power to choose different methods to solve.

 

[Cool Frog]

OLLCP Shouldn't be that bad, Recognition is rather strait forward and puts you into speedy EPLL

 

[chris w]

For example look at an OLL and think I could OLL it but if I do this, bam, I have a PLL skip or a case something like that.

http://sa967st.webs.com/pllskipcases.htm
very good site for stuff like this, has F2LL, VHF2L etc

 

[95Rifles]

http://sa967st.webs.com/pllskipcases.htm
very good site for stuff like this, has F2LL, VHF2L etc

I've seen this site before but never given it more than a passing glance. I think I might start selecting some OLLCP cases to begin learning. I've got 4 OLL algs that I want to learn because they're variation of anti/sune and then after that I'll leave OLL a while...

Are there any other good resources out there?

 

[ottozing]

for ollcp check out https://sites.google.com/site/piauscubingsite/3x3x3/ollcp/others.

not really an add on but you could also check out http://cube.garron.us/MGLS/ if your interested (although learning this would render ollcp useless).

 

[95Rifles]

not really an add on but you could also check out http://cube.garron.us/MGLS/ if your interested (although learning this would render ollcp useless).

My only question about that is how efficient it is. For example if I'm solving and I do one of those algs could I have been quicker just solving the slot and OLL?

I might seem to be a bit ignorant and not willing to take ideas on board, and if I come across that way I apologize, but I am listening to everything you are all saying and looking at the links and checking things out. The reason I keep asking questions is I don't want to waste my time learning algs which will slow me down or for methods which are dead and no one uses.

A more specific question, is doing ELS and then COLL a good plan?

 

[Kirjava]

A more specific question, is doing ELS and then COLL a good plan?

You'd have to do CLSCP, which is too many cases.