# Upcoming puzzles

#### Sub1Hour

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No it’s not, it’s Shengshou
I would like to remind you that before modern cube companies took over shengshou was literally the best you could get in just about everything except for 2x2 and 3x3. Their 4-7 cube lineup was used for years as well as their megaminx. Their square-1 was one of the best before the Qiyi. Also, they were one of the first to make a skewb after the event got added and their pyraminx saw lots of use before the moyu and qiyi came out.

#### Daxton Brumfield

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AWWW MAN
Only 288 apiece for anybody planning to make force cubes lmao

#### Spacey10

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AWWW MAN
Only 288 apiece for anybody planning to make force cubes lmao
What does it mean when a person is forcing a cube?

#### WarriorCatCuber

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What does it mean when a person is forcing a cube?
Force cube. It's when you make a cube that's faces are all the same colour.

#### Spacey10

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Force cube. It's when you make a cube that's faces are all the same colour.
I heard that CSH is gonna do like 12 of them for the teraminx. Why would you want to do that?

#### WarriorCatCuber

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I heard that CSH is gonna do like 12 of them for the teraminx. Why would you want to do that?
to get views probably

#### WarriorCatCuber

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That is just pointless!!
Well, views do get you money. But I agree that idea is kinda stupid.

#### Spacey10

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Well, views do get you money. But I agree that idea is kinda stupid.
The revenue will hardly cover 10 percent of the cost honestly

#### WarriorCatCuber

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The revenue will hardly cover 10 percent of the cost honestly
True. But it's a CSH kind of thing to do.

#### PetrusQuber

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Well for normal people, it's either to show off, to have a cool cube which is unique, etc.
CSH probs just wants to do it, as well as for views.

Also, you make them by getting stickerless cubes, disassembling them down to the individual pieces for pieces, and reassembling so red goes with red, green goes with green, etc.

#### cuber314159

So on average YouTubers make about $4 per 1000 views, so he would only need around 700000 views to cover costs assuming he could get the sort of discount I suspect he could. Is 700000 views likely for that video? That is excluding revenue he could earn from his scs discount code. #### Spacey10 ##### Member So on average YouTubers make about$4 per 1000 views, so he would only need around 700000 views to cover costs assuming he could get the sort of discount I suspect he could. Is 700000 views likely for that video?
That is excluding revenue he could earn from his scs discount code.
Well, it depends on the ad views, so about 2 to 3 cents per view

#### brododragon

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Twenty dollars for a cube that eveyone admits Is not even good for top solvers. I wish I could give GAN the benefit of the doubt, but that's pretty inexcusable. There are definitely cheaper puzzles that likely perform way better than this.
Yeah. The sad thing is, as the RS showed, they could be making it way cheaper.
That's cheap for a Gan.
Yeah, it's practically a dollar.

#### brododragon

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AWWW MAN
Only 288 apiece for anybody planning to make force cubes lmao
Hmm, wondering if people might just buy another when their's pops.
I heard that CSH is gonna do like 12 of them for the teraminx. Why would you want to do that?
to get views probably
That is just pointless!!
Well, views do get you money. But I agree that idea is kinda stupid.
The revenue will hardly cover 10 percent of the cost honestly
True. But it's a CSH kind of thing to do.
Calm down, kids. It's done to make stickered big cubes.

It's just a prank

#### Doctor Hedron

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Wrt this discussion about force examinxes and the price of doing that. I won't be outright quoting myself because I wrote A LOT of text there so it would clutter the page here, but I wrote up a detailed analysis of cost and other associated risks.

TL;DR:
- don't buy from Cubezz, buy from ZiiCube or arrange a private deal with the manufacturer (through a third party?)
- it will take you 31-39 hours if you do everything perfectly; for an NxN minx the lower bound in minutes is 14.666 * N^2 + 9.667 * N - 5.9333
- but the time spent on labor is the least of your concern - import taxes, regulations on toys (for customs), shipping during the pandemic, and of course the overall cost (roughly $3000 upfront) is way more important Here's that detailed writeup at page 81 of this thread. Calm down, kids. It's done to make stickered big cubes. It's just a prank Jokes aside, actually yeah, that's kind of the point. They're unique and collectible, competition legal, and are one of the ways to make stickered cubes if the manufacturer released only the stickerless version. #### brododragon ##### Member Wrt this discussion about force examinxes and the price of doing that. I won't be outright quoting myself because I wrote A LOT of text there so it would clutter the page here, but I wrote up a detailed analysis of cost and other associated risks. TL;DR: - don't buy from Cubezz, buy from ZiiCube or arrange a private deal with the manufacturer (through a third party?) - it will take you 31-39 hours if you do everything perfectly; for an NxN minx the lower bound in minutes is 14.666 * N^2 + 9.667 * N - 5.9333 - but the time spent on labor is the least of your concern - import taxes, regulations on toys (for customs), shipping during the pandemic, and of course the overall cost (roughly$3000 upfront) is way more important

Here's that detailed writeup at page 81 of this thread.

Jokes aside, actually yeah, that's kind of the point. They're unique and collectible, competition legal, and are one of the ways to make stickered cubes if the manufacturer released only the stickerless version.

Were you the one who made those force 12x12x12 meilongs?

#### Doctor Hedron

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Yeah, that was me. That's my personal yellow one in the photo. Stickers hopefully arriving soon (at last).

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Speaking of which, this guy from China, Ao Kesong, made force Moyu 15x15s a few months later:

I think I'm not at liberty to disclose some certain numbers, but none of us Westerners can beat his costs. Not even with the most significantly discounted 15x15s at ZiiCube and (for some reason) AliExpress. Not even if some store generously helps you get them straight from the manufacturer and somehow doesn't take a penny.

And that's not surprising. He bought the "source" cubes directly from Moyu. He bought original sticker sheets from Moyu, too. He didn't have to bother with import taxes or customs, being in China himself. Shipping is very cheap compared to international shipping.

If anyone actually makes force examinxes, my money is on it being someone from China. And even then, if you see a single force examinx in someone's random collection, chances are they just reached to Shengshou to sell them a pre-assembled one of a certain color.

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#### PetrusQuber

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Yeah, that was me. That's my personal yellow one in the photo. Stickers hopefully arriving soon (at last).

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Speaking of which, this guy from China, Ao Kesong, made force Moyu 15x15s a few months later:

I think I'm not at liberty to disclose some certain numbers, but none of us Westerners can beat his costs. Not even with the most significantly discounted 15x15s at ZiiCube and (for some reason) AliExpress. Not even if some store generously helps you get them straight from the manufacturer and somehow doesn't take a penny.

And that's not surprising. He bought the "source" cubes directly from Moyu. He bought original sticker sheets from Moyu, too. He didn't have to bother with import taxes or customs, being in China himself. Shipping is very cheap compared to international shipping.

If anyone actually makes force examinxes, my money is on it being someone from China. And even then, if you see a single force examinx in someone's random collection, chances are they just reached to Shengshou to sell them a pre-assembled one of a certain color.
Ok, let’s see if CSH holds up

#### Doctor Hedron

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So on average YouTubers make about \$4 per 1000 views, so he would only need around 700000 views to cover costs assuming he could get the sort of discount I suspect he could. Is 700000 views likely for that video?
Actually, Grégoire Pfennig (Greg's Puzzles) - the designer of Yuxin Multi Cube, 3D printed 33x33x33, etc - recently released a video talking about exactly these things. View counts, the workload of running a puzzle channel, scammy facebook pages stealing views, ads on videos, monetization claims, the whole nine yards.

The video is short but still informative, worth checking out.