[Help Thread] Square-1 Discussion

[bostoncuber314]

Stepan's spreadsheet is really nice! Thanks for sharing.
The cubedb.net links and the pictures are very handy.

BTW, the tool used for pictures is very nice, even if it's limited to showing only the Sq1 when it's in the right shape (doesn't show odd shapes)
https://wol4rwwr5d.execute-api.us-e...fault/get_image?alg=10/2-4/-24/-40/0-3/33/90/
I'd love to help extend it.

 

[Silky]

Does anyone have the L5E Square-1 Algs. ZLV had them but the site is down

 

[NONOGamer12]

i currently average 45 seconds feel free to discuss about square-1 here. If there is already a thread about this then tell me and i will delete this

So I hate the notation I cant solve it cause it is confusing

 

[NONOGamer12]

Does anyone have the L5E Square-1 Algs. ZLV had them but the site is down

So I just use a book that tells me how

 

[Silky]

So I just use a book that tells me how

Not sure you understood the question.. I know how to solve it, I'm just looking for a extended alg set

 

[IsThatA4x4]

In a similar vein to the conversation here, how are squan algs genned? With the properties it has, it would certainly be computationally much harder, as it is not always possible to perform a slice, and hard to describe a move in terms of what pieces move, as it is different most of the time.
Edit: for this I mean things like before CS is solved, or the parity alg, but even things like OBL/PBL I can see being much harder

 

[NONOGamer12]

Not sure you understood the question.. I know how to solve it, I'm just looking for a extended alg set

Oh oops

 

[abunickabhi]

Lin or Screw, which method formalism is better?

 

[Silky]

Lin or Screw, which method formalism is better?

Lin definitely. Screw is more or less a subset of Lin. Also Lin has PLL+1 which is really important.

 

[Garf]

I own the Volt V2 fully Magnetic (slices + U/D) and after a year I still do not know how to make it gud. The U/D slices are always slow, and I can't even turn fast on it.

 

[Thom S.]

So I hate the notation I cant solve it cause it is confusing

I'd argue that Squan Notation is less confusing than 3x3

In a similar vein to the conversation here, how are squan algs genned? With the properties it has, it would certainly be computationally much harder, as it is not always possible to perform a slice, and hard to describe a move in terms of what pieces move, as it is different most of the time.
Edit: for this I mean things like before CS is solved, or the parity alg, but even things like OBL/PBL I can see being much harder

Given that Sq1 solvers can cope with being out of CS, it is at least possible without great programmical effort. As for computational effort, I don't know.

I own the Volt V2 fully Magnetic (slices + U/D) and after a year I still do not know how to make it gud. The U/D slices are always slow, and I can't even turn fast on it.

I also bought the Fully Magnetic Volt a year ago. Did 5000 Solves on it and switched back to the Qiyi.
Not sure what that says about my turning style, but I have tried every Sq1 with Spherical core(except for the Volt v1 and Weilong) and I can't like any except Volt and Qiyi

 

[NONOGamer12]

I'd argue that Squan Notation is less confusing than 3x3

Given that Sq1 solvers can cope with being out of CS, it is at least possible without great programmical effort. As for computational effort, I don't know.

I also bought the Fully Magnetic Volt a year ago. Did 5000 Solves on it and switched back to the Qiyi.
Not sure what that says about my turning style, but I have tried every Sq1 with Spherical core(except for the Volt v1 and Weilong) and I can't like any except Volt and Qiyi

ok it is simple but so hard to take down as a new squan user

 

[IsThatA4x4]

ok it is simple but so hard to take down as a new squan user

As is 3x3 notation. I used to struggle remembering which B move did what or forgetting which way L went, but now I can sight read scrambles relatively quickly without pausing.
The same would go for squan, if you practice it enough, you would get better at it. If you look at top squanners scrambling, they can do it ridiculously fast. It might be harder, but eventually you will overcome it.

 

[IsThatA4x4]

What is the "standard" black/white colour scheme that people use for squan?
Is it black or white that goes on top?

And how do you replace the caps on the mgc? I have a habit of picking my nails(...) so I can't use those, and I'm scared that I will strip the screw if I disassemble the cube (as I have heard this can happen quite easily).

 

[White KB]

What is the "standard" black/white colour scheme that people use for squan?
Is it black or white that goes on top?

And how do you replace the caps on the mgc? I have a habit of picking my nails(...) so I can't use those, and I'm scared that I will strip the screw if I disassemble the cube (as I have heard this can happen quite easily).

I think it's white on top and black on the bottom. When I got my new Volt recently, I literally swapped the caps as soon as I got it out of the box because it's set up the other way ootb. As for the MGC, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I'm just waiting for the GAN Square-1 to go out of the prototype stage tbh

 

[Thom S.]

What is the "standard" black/white colour scheme that people use for squan?
Is it black or white that goes on top?

And how do you replace the caps on the mgc? I have a habit of picking my nails(...) so I can't use those, and I'm scared that I will strip the screw if I disassemble the cube (as I have heard this can happen quite easily).

For this question, we need to look at the history.
The first Square-1 had (depending on the model) green on top and either Red, Blue or White on bottom.
Then, the first reproducers had that similarly until the cubing scene emerged. A couple years in, the Calvins or the Shengshou had the western Colour Scheme with White on top. And this is how most people had their scheme lined up forever. I didn'd like it that way then so I changed it to yellow, but that is irrelevant.
The change started in 2014/2015 when the Qiyi got released as the first Square-1 that came with yellow on top.

So your answer is have it how you like it more, I'd recommend Black on Top(with yellow and not black)


How you will strip the nut(screw?) By just unscrewing is beyond me, the nut will strip within 1000 solves(my testing MGC) because they are too greedy to use a proper nut, but not by one disassembly.
Pop off the coloured caps and then lift the yellow but be extremely careful. The holding pins are delicate and break extremely fast. Some of the pins were so immovable, I couldn't lift them at all until they broke.

 

[SpeedCubing RDJ]

What is the "standard" black/white colour scheme that people use for squan?
Is it black or white that goes on top?

And how do you replace the caps on the mgc? I have a habit of picking my nails(...) so I can't use those, and I'm scared that I will strip the screw if I disassemble the cube (as I have heard this can happen quite easily).

Take apart the entire mgc and slowly remove the caps by pushing the caps apart. Do remember that the caps are really fragile so dont use too much force.

 

[Silky]

Anyone have the Lin CP+DF algs that also solve parity?

 

[Dancing Jules]

Re colour scheme:
The only real standard is that according to WCA-regs you scramble with darker colour (usually red) in front.

For most mass-produced puzzles that will result in yellow-top. But it really doesn't matter.

 

[IsThatA4x4]

What is the "standard" black/white colour scheme that people use for squan?
Is it black or white that goes on top?

And how do you replace the caps on the mgc? I have a habit of picking my nails(...) so I can't use those, and I'm scared that I will strip the screw if I disassemble the cube (as I have heard this can happen quite easily).

Alright, this is fine since I will not be using these yellow caps again, but upon taking out the caps for the red/yellow edge, the yellow pin that connects to the red edge is stuck inside the red edge and I cannot remove it to put the black cap in.
Any ideas?

edit: all is fixed!
I drilled holes where holes were meant to be