Speedsolving wiki: PLL Page

cmhardw said:
I'm admittedly not the fastest speedsolver around, so I suspect that most of the top cubers would completely disagree with me on this point.
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Just a quick note (and maybe a question to others). I am very right-handed, to the point that I only do the double flick U2 with my right hand, but I noticed in one of Feliks' videos that he does the double flick with both hands.

Do most non-ambidextrous people do the double flick with either hand?
 
I have a very hard time getting used to the double flick with my left hand. I tried to get used to it, but I can't seem to (but then again as soon as it starts feeling too awkward I just quit because I can and get a "just do it with my right hand and get over it" type of attitude).
 
I agree with ts. It's stupid to have the same alg listed multiple times. I can understand why there would be a right handed and left handed version, but to duplicate "R U R B R2' U" with "R U l U R2 F" is just a waste of space.
 
fatboyxpc said:
I think if we were to think about beginners here, I would be inclined to disagree with this in their favor. I have seen a lot of posts (and I'm guilty of doing the same thing) of telling people to choose an alg from the list that they can feel flows well for their style. I think that seeing the alternate notation to show execution differences is beneficial in this aspect.
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I feel that beginners aren't really able to determine what algs are good, even for them specifically, without more experience cubing. Better that they end up with a general alg that will work well for everyone than some specific one that they didn't realize was an alternative alg.

riffz said:
Just a quick note (and maybe a question to others). I am very right-handed, to the point that I only do the double flick U2 with my right hand, but I noticed in one of Feliks' videos that he does the double flick with both hands.

Do most non-ambidextrous people do the double flick with either hand?
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I do, and I think Eric Limeback did it with his left hand before he could do it with his right hand, and he's right handed.
 
JustinJ said:
riffz said:
Just a quick note (and maybe a question to others). I am very right-handed, to the point that I only do the double flick U2 with my right hand, but I noticed in one of Feliks' videos that he does the double flick with both hands.

Do most non-ambidextrous people do the double flick with either hand?
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I do, and I think Eric Limeback did it with his left hand before he could do it with his right hand, and he's right handed.
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Eric can only do U2 fast with his left hand. :p
Rowan Kinneavy does U2 like U2' with his left hand too, and his R perms (the algs with U2 twice) are crazy.
 
JustinJ said:
I feel that beginners aren't really able to determine what algs are good, even for them specifically, without more experience cubing. Better that they end up with a general alg that will work well for everyone than some specific one that they didn't realize was an alternative alg.
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That's why I tell them one that flows well to suit their style. They won't know if it's particularly good, bad, or the most popular; but why will most certainly know what algorithm feels like it sucks and which one feels like it flows well. Admittedly, there are cases that it seems no matter which algorithm you try it seems to suck, but that's why I tell them to run through various algorithms multiple consecutive times, so that way they can get a feel for the algorithm before just ditching it on the first attempt.

I'm not saying that this is a means to justify having all of the "same alg but different execution notation" examples up. I think it'd be beneficial to clean it up. I think a pop up to show various forms of execution of the same algorithm (displaying the execution by changing the notation) would be just fine enough. This could be either a completely separate window (though probably sized down), or a lightbox.
 
cmhardw said:
Having said that, I also think it's a bit strange how sometimes people who like a particular alg very much right handed will not use the reflection of that alg to left handed for the reflected case.
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Do you really? I would think it's glaringly obvious that not everybody is ambidextrous.

And the solution to this is simple-
List the main alg, then have a little arrow button or something that, when clicked, displays the other fingertricks for that alg. Like

R U2 R' U2 R B' R' U' R U R B R2' U
R U2 R' U2 R B' R' U' R U l U R2 F
y2 z U R2 U' R2 U F' U' R' U R U F U2 R
y2 L U2 L' U2 L F' L' U' L U L F L2 U

This reduces the clutter, groups the algs, and we don't have to delete anything. (obviously instead of a giant spoiler button it would be something small on the same line in front of the original alg)

Like this but with algs:
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I use the 3rd alg for Ra.

I tried to learn Full OLL and PLL as quickly as I could so I was looking for algs I could easily memorise.
The ones I don't like I'm slowly replacing but that one that I can sub 2 every time and wouldn't even think to change it.
 
I like David's idea too. Also it would be really good if people could somehow vote on which alg they use, to give an indication of popularity. If a newbie came to one of those pages and was confronted with 20 alg variations, but could see that 99% of people all used the same one, it would be a lot easier deciding what to learn.
 
Godmil said:
I like David's idea too. Also it would be really good if people could somehow vote on which alg they use, to give an indication of popularity. If a newbie came to one of those pages and was confronted with 20 alg variations, but could see that 99% of people all used the same one, it would be a lot easier deciding what to learn.
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yes. i vote for the vote system. i had mentioned this earlier at this post.
Only top 2-3 voted algs should be displayed and rest should be dropdown-ed david style. that wud save space as joel pointed out. and since this is "wiki", it's (like) an encyclopedia. so algs SHUD NOT be deleted at all. keep on collecting and adding even if they r mirrors or variations. jst mention that this is variation of so and so alg.
will take quite a bit of re-programming by wiki designers :P

EDIT: If it is agreed by all, then along with the standard yellow squares, the pattern sketches shud also be displayed. This wud make the pll page a one-stop-shop for any visitor. (PLL pattern sketches are readily available on my blog. Can use them directly. Link mentioned in wiki page itself.)
 
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Voting system seems silly.
How many people currently actually bother to edit anything on the wiki?
How many are going to log into it to put in a vote for which PLL they use?
The sample will probably be very small, and possibly not representative.
 
Zarxrax said:
Voting system seems silly.
How many people currently actually bother to edit anything on the wiki?
How many are going to log into it to put in a vote for which PLL they use?
The sample will probably be very small, and possibly not representative.
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correct. we can put this as a disclaimer. And possibly only publish the results if number of votes are above, lets say, 500, or some such thick number. and many ppl do edit i guess. i once saw the 'recent changes' page and woah it was active.
 
I thought some threads could be started here with polls, one thread for each pll and the poll showed every alg in the database. The only problem is the shear number of threads... you'd need to only do one PLL a week or so to avoid spamming the forum.
 
rishidoshi said:
and since this is "wiki", it's (like) an encyclopedia. so algs SHUD NOT be deleted at all. keep on collecting and adding even if they r mirrors or variations.
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I don't really understand this, I think the wiki should be a page that contains useful information, not horrible algs that no one in their right mind would ever use. There are certainly algs there that are not suitable for speedsolving, and I don't really see any need to keep them. If we're just going for volume of algs, why don't we just go and paste the output from a cube explorer run and get a few hundred?
 
That is a good point Justin, the only problem is working out which ones are terrible. In your first post you suggested deleting an alg which is one that Breandan uses, so it's not always obvious which ones are fast.
 
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