Should clock be an official event?

[Lord_Oscar]

So. This argument is going to be unpopular, but you're welcome to reply however you want.
My argument is this:
In all WCA events, you can tell whether a puzzle is solved or not, but in clock, you can't tell so easily, and this makes it very difficult to watch. Even with say, Megaminx, it's obvious when the puzzle is solved. It's also not a geometric shape compared to every other puzzle that the WCA recognises.
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[ProStar]

It’s very difficult to tell if you’ve done FMC successfully just by your submission.

Anyway I’m more inclined to link other existing threads on this that could be bumped rather than going over the discussion I’ve already had before:

Will Clock get removed as an official event?

Feet was recently announced to be leaving the WCA official event roster (which is possibly still up for change). Will clock get this same treatment? It's been a debate in the cubing community for a while. Clock is seemingly difficult to host as an event for various reasons (DGCubes made an...

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Why is clock an event?

I'm not trying to start a flame war or whatever, I'm just wondering if there's a story behind it since clock isn't even a cube, y'know? Just seems random imo, thanks in advance ^^

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For information about clock and why it’s an event

Edit: nevermind I was cringe and had bad opinions in that thread let’s not ever look at it again and discuss here instead

 

[Lord_Oscar]

It’s very difficult to tell if you’ve done FMC successfully just by your submission.

Anyway I’m more inclined to link other existing threads on this that could be bumped rather than going over the discussion I’ve already had before:

Will Clock get removed as an official event?

Feet was recently announced to be leaving the WCA official event roster (which is possibly still up for change). Will clock get this same treatment? It's been a debate in the cubing community for a while. Clock is seemingly difficult to host as an event for various reasons (DGCubes made an...

www.speedsolving.com

For discussion

Why is clock an event?

I'm not trying to start a flame war or whatever, I'm just wondering if there's a story behind it since clock isn't even a cube, y'know? Just seems random imo, thanks in advance ^^

www.speedsolving.com

For information about clock and why it’s an event

ok sorry. The forum search didn't find those threads.

 

[Discomantis]

ok sorry. The forum search didn't find those threads.

It’s not your fault the search function is really bad

 

[Clock_Enthusiast]

One way to tell if the clock is solved or not is to visually look at both sides of the puzzle. If all dials face 12, it is solved.

 

[Discomantis]

So. This argument is going to be unpopular, but you're welcome to reply however you want.
My argument is this:
In all WCA events, you can tell whether a puzzle is solved or not, but in clock, you can't tell so easily, and this makes it very difficult to watch. Even with say, Megaminx, it's obvious when the puzzle is solved. It's also not a geometric shape compared to every other puzzle that the WCA recognises.
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If you care more about not having the puzzle checked than your solve times, you can make sure that whenever you stop the timer, your clock is facing standing up on the mat.

It wastes a lot of time though, and I’m not saying this is a good idea.

 

[Clock_Enthusiast]

If you care more about not having the puzzle checked than your solve times, you can make sure that whenever you stop the timer, your clock is facing standing up on the mat.

It wastes a lot of time though, and I’m not saying this is a good idea.

You can definitely take the extra time to ensure it’s solved on both sides before stopping the timer, but like you said, it takes more time.

The risk of DNFing a clock solve is certainly greater, but one can easily get a last second corner twist and DNF something else too.

The argument of uncertain accuracy could be applied to blind events too—should they be events if you can’t 100% ensure the puzzle is solved upon stopping the timer?

 

[IsThatA4x4]

I personally think the suspense generated by the fact that you have to flip the clock to check if it's solved is one of the best parts about the event, probably the only event other than I guess blind or maybe FMC where something like this can happen. Also, clock is such a unique event in how it's solved, its shape, and its turning, which just makes it even better, even if it doesn't line up with other events. Especially with the recent surge in fast solves due to everyone picking up 7simul and the changes to pin regulations, the event has become far more popular, so I don't see it going anywhere.

 

[An Animating Cuber]

In all WCA events, you can tell whether a puzzle is solved or not, but in clock, you can't tell so easily, and this makes it very difficult to watch. Even with say, Megaminx, it's obvious when the puzzle is solved. It's also not a geometric shape compared to every other puzzle that the WCA recognises.
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IMO the problem is getting solved by overhead stream cameras.

 

[Gecko777]

So. This argument is going to be unpopular, but you're welcome to reply however you want.
My argument is this:
In all WCA events, you can tell whether a puzzle is solved or not, but in clock, you can't tell so easily, and this makes it very difficult to watch. Even with say, Megaminx, it's obvious when the puzzle is solved. It's also not a geometric shape compared to every other puzzle that the WCA recognises.
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(IMO) short answer: Clock should be removed. Other answer: Clock OH should be an event in its place.

 

[Lord_Oscar]

I guess part of my reasoning is that all the wca puzzles are geometric shapes of some sort…except clock

 

[fes_77]

I guess part of my reasoning is that all the wca puzzles are geometric shapes of some sort…except clock

 

[Lord_Oscar]

You get what I mean

 

[finger go brr]

i'm pretty sure that a lot of people like clock so i don't see why it should be removed.

3x3 with feet however...
i don't think anyone cared when it was removed

 

[unirox13]

I hate clock, I've solved it once, I'll never touch it again. It's almost as mundane as magic! The solve is based solely on the ability to do moves quick, not think. There are so many more puzzles out there that deserve a spot in the WCA. If they got one, guess what!? Companies would start making better versions! FTO, Helicopter, Gigaminx, hell, even the Tuttminx!

Get rid of the futile solves and bring in some puzzles that actually require some thought and input a bit of challenge.

 

[JDAW6]

3x3 with feet however...
i don't think anyone cared when it was removed

I LOVE FEET!!!!
Edit: I mean 3x3 with feet

 

[An Animating Cuber]

I hate clock, I've solved it once, I'll never touch it again. It's almost as mundane as magic! The solve is based solely on the ability to do moves quick, not think. There are so many more puzzles out there that deserve a spot in the WCA. If they got one, guess what!? Companies would start making better versions! FTO, Helicopter, Gigaminx, hell, even the Tuttminx!

Get rid of the futile solves and bring in some puzzles that actually require some thought and input a bit of challenge.

For anyone saying clock is mundane, I would say try more advanced methods like 7 Simul, Sheerin, 7 Simul Flip, they are very interesting and way less trivial that flip (not that flip was trivial there are pretty advanced things like corner skips)

 

[finger go brr]

I hate clock, I've solved it once, I'll never touch it again. It's almost as mundane as magic! The solve is based solely on the ability to do moves quick, not think. There are so many more puzzles out there that deserve a spot in the WCA. If they got one, guess what!? Companies would start making better versions! FTO, Helicopter, Gigaminx, hell, even the Tuttminx!

Get rid of the futile solves and bring in some puzzles that actually require some thought and input a bit of challenge.

you don't need to get rid of clock to add more events...

side note: i've never even touched an fto so take this with a grain of salt, but i think that if fto was added as a wca event times could halve with better hardware and more people practicing it

 

[EthanMCuber]

If clonk wasn't already an event, I definitely wouldn't add it. But now that so many people practice it (and it's quite competitive), I wouldn't take it away. Yes, I completely agree that events should be added (FTO, CH2, MPyra, and more), but clonk doesn't need to be taken away.

also I main clonk lol

 

[artless1der]

No. just . . . No.
btw
where are all the sundial fans out there??? ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯