Should 3x3x3 With Feet Remain an Official WCA Event?

[XTowncuber]

So you want to remove One-handed as well?
Different algorithms are used. Many people learn algs for feet solving.
People who do not have hands are already allowed to solve with their feet during the 3x3 event - not sure what you're getting at there.

New stuff for feet: maybe OLLs and PLLs

New stuff for OH: Definitely a lot of PLLs probably some OLLs, if you're fast then COLL and then maybe some 2GLL and heck why not throw in some WV or ZBLL, oh and also there's this special method for it called ZZ. Also OH turning/fingertricks are more distinct between solvers than feet turning/toetricks.

Thus I think that OH is NOT a mundane copy of 3x3.

 

[kinch2002]

New stuff for feet: maybe OLLs and PLLs

New stuff for OH: Definitely a lot of PLLs probably some OLLs, if you're fast then COLL and then maybe some 2GLL and heck why not throw in some WV or ZBLL, oh and also there's this special method for it called ZZ. Also OH turning/fingertricks are more distinct between solvers than feet turning/toetricks.

Thus I think that OH is NOT a mundane copy of 3x3.

There is more blockbuilding during Cross/F2L for feet, and all the LL stuff that you mention for OH applies to feet as well. Perhaps there aren't as many people who learn a load of stuff like that specifically for feet, but that's because there are less people who care about feet, not because it wouldn't be helpful. Come on...2GLL for feet would be really useful

There are also different turning styles for feet, but most people don't study feet enough for the styles to be well known. Going back to the basic execution of moves we find 2 very different turning styles. U turns only, and RLFD turns only. You could easily argue that this is more distinct than any 2 popular OH turning styles.

Even if there was only one turning style for feet, it would be so much more different from two-handed than any one-handed style is.

I agree that OH is not a mundane copy of 3x3, but I would argue that feet is not either, because if OH is sufficiently different from two-handed then feet must surely be too!

 

[Przemek Kaleta]

New stuff for feet: maybe OLLs and PLLs

New stuff for OH: Definitely a lot of PLLs probably some OLLs, if you're fast then COLL and then maybe some 2GLL and heck why not throw in some WV or ZBLL, oh and also there's this special method for it called ZZ. Also OH turning/fingertricks are more distinct between solvers than feet turning/toetricks.

Thus I think that OH is NOT a mundane copy of 3x3.

I learn VLS cases just for feet solving and I use COLLs and ZBLLs as well (more time to recognise)

And not "maybe OLLs and PLLs for feet" but "Definitely a lot of PLLs and OLLs"

In my opinion all official evens should stay, because a lot of people have practised them for a long time and no change is necessary.

 

[XTowncuber]

fair enough then.

 

[Meneghetti]

The goal of this thread is to determine how much support there is for removing 3x3x3 With Feet

I would just like to point out that this event is very popular in countries like Brazil and Indonesia, and I believe that the cubers from these countries don't really read this forum and they are not voting on this poll.

Here we had a similar discussion a while ago, and our poll results were:

Remove feet: 2 votes (5.41%)
Keep feet: 34 votes (91.89%)
Whatever: 1 vote (2.70%)

 

[Coolster01]

I would just like to point out that this event is very popular in countries like Brazil and Indonesia, and I believe that the cubers from these countries don't really read this forum and they are not voting on this poll.

Here we had a similar discussion a while ago, and our poll results were:

Remove feet: 2 votes (5.41%)
Keep feet: 34 votes (91.89%)
Whatever: 1 vote (2.70%)

There's my proof Kirjava

 

[Kirjava]

There's my proof Kirjava

Your original post states that the entire community would vote for keeping feet over not.

Statistics from places where feet is popular are not representative of this and by your own statements contain large bias.

Also, if you're going to claim to be 'done here' it's best to stop posting.

 

[Dane man]

I would just like to point out that this event is very popular in countries like Brazil and Indonesia, and I believe that the cubers from these countries don't really read this forum and they are not voting on this poll.

Here we had a similar discussion a while ago, and our poll results were:

Remove feet: 2 votes (5.41%)
Keep feet: 34 votes (91.89%)
Whatever: 1 vote (2.70%)

Here the results are currently:

Remove feet: 96 votes
Keep feet: 96 votes
whatever: 44 votes

Interesting I think.

 

[Ranzha]

Here the results are currently:

Remove feet: 96 votes
Keep feet: 96 votes
whatever: 44 votes

Interesting I think.

Also, fewer than 20% of responders actively participate in the event.

Food for thought.

 

[antoineccantin]

Also, fewer than 20% of responders actively participate in the event.

Food for thought.

I'm sure that fewer than 20% of all cubers "actively participate" in Square-1, Clock, 4BLD, 5BLD, ect.

 

[Ranzha]

I'm sure that fewer than 20% of all cubers "actively participate" in Square-1, Clock, 4BLD, 5BLD, ect.

x-post from Facebook:

Middle column represents number of times event has been hosted at a competition to date in 2014.
Right column represents percent of the time the event was hosted out of all 239 competitions to date in 2014.

I voted that I wouldn't mind either way and I stick by that conviction.
Since I cba to check, at 2014 competitions with feet, what is the mean proportion of competitors who competed in feet?

 

[antoineccantin]

x-post from Facebook:

Middle column represents number of times event has been hosted at a competition to date in 2014.
Right column represents percent of the time the event was hosted out of all 239 competitions to date in 2014.

I voted that I wouldn't mind either way and I stick by that conviction.
Since I cba to check, at 2014 competitions with feet, what is the mean proportion of competitors who competed in feet?

I'm not talking about the number of competitions who hold that event. I'm talking about the number of cubers who "actively participate" in the event. Those two are not related. Example: There are two cubers in my town who really like feet solving. However, there has been a total of 0 competitions with feet held this year in the whole country. That does not mean that all Canadians hate feet and want it removed!

You said: "Also, fewer than 20% of responders actively participate in the event." which is about the percentage of cubers who "actively participate" in the event, not the number of competitions.

If the percentage of people who've competed in it is any indication (which it isn't really, as there are few competitions with feet, so fewer feet enthusiasts can get official times), then about 3% of cubers "actively participate in feet", compared to 7% for Square-1, 5.5% for Clock, etc.

 

[Ranzha]

I'm not talking about the number of competitions who hold that event. I'm talking about the number of cubers who "actively participate" in the event. Those two are not related. Example: There are two cubers in my city who really like feet solving. However, there has been a total of 0 competitions with feet held this year in the whole country. That does not mean that all Canadians hate feet and want it removed!

You said: "Also, fewer than 20% of responders actively participate in the event." which is about the percentage of cubers who "actively participate" in the event, not the number of competitions.

If the percentage of people who've competed in it is any indication (which it isn't really, as there are few competitions with feet, so fewer feet enthusiasts can get official times), than about 3% of cubers "actively participate in feet", compared to 7% for Square-1, 5.5% for Clock, etc.

I'm not trying to argue with you.
I'm posting numbers.

 

[Goosly]

Middle column represents number of times event has been hosted at a competition to date in 2014.
Right column represents percent of the time the event was hosted out of all 239 competitions to date in 2014.

I'm posting numbers.

I wonder why you post those numbers. Why did you calculate/post them? To show 5BLD is hosted less than Feet?

 

[slinky773]

I wonder why you post those numbers. Why did you calculate/post them? To show 5BLD is hosted less than Feet?

Well, it's just numbers, so he's not really trying to show anything, he's just supplying them for use in the discussion. As he said, he's neutral.

 

[cubernya]

Suggestion: For a period of 6/12 months, have a poll at every competition worldwide (it could just be asked when checking in). Tally up the count and go from there. If all the delegates are informed, I don't see why this wouldn't work.

 

[antoineccantin]

Suggestion: For a period of 6/12 months, have a poll at every competition worldwide (it could just be asked when checking in). Tally up the count and go from there. If all the delegates are informed, I don't see why this wouldn't work.

And if over 50% of people don't like feet, we remove the event? That doesn't seem fair.

 

[cubernya]

And if over 50% of people don't like feet, we remove the event? That doesn't seem fair.

I'm not saying a specific percentage. I'm just saying that that data would be much more beneficial to the decision than a small poll with a couple hundred people on these forums or the Brazilian forums.

 

[thatboyahcubah]

I don't like watching it, and I don't like it getting so much attention, but I guess I can just close my eyes whenever it comes up.

I wish everyone who had a problem with feetsolving could do exactly as you said.

 

[Ranzha]

I wonder why you post those numbers. Why did you calculate/post them? To show 5BLD is hosted less than Feet?

At first, I was astonished at how frequently feet was held considering it's almost never considered to be held in my competition community.
Then I wondered how the other events stacked up and was more astonished how relatively lowly feet stood.

I've tried feet a few times and have no problem with it. It just doesn't appear to have traction, and for little good reason. For some areas, feet grosses people out. For me, feet isn't usually considered for two reasons, the more relevant one to this discussion being that feet doesn't seem popular among competitors in my area, so organising it cost time which could be used for events people enjoy having. The organisation team has even taken polls to see what events non-organising people would like to see, and feet (among other events) is never listed.