Problems while trying to improve my F2L

[darius3]

Hi cubers.
I use fridrich method and my avgs are around 26 seconds; 5 seconds for the cross, 11 for f2l and 10 for 2 look oll + full pll.
The problem that I have is that I want to improve my times improving my f2l, and I have problems with that.
Of course, the key of getting faster with f2l is learning to look ahead, but I can't do that because I don't know to execute the cases with muscle memory. The problem that I have is that my f2l is pretty awful.
All that I do is put the corner and the edge on the top and then join and put them in the corresponding slot. All this performing lot of cube rotations and with no different-angle insertions; I put the pairs and rotate the cube so that I can join them with R and U moves.
So I can't fully perform cases with muscle memory: I need to rotate the cube and the U face until I can solve them as I said before.
I tried to practice doing f2l with forced multi-angle insertions and minimal cube rotations, and I can do it, but in 1 minute or so.
So, should I keep practicing that way? Should I learn algorithms to join pieces in different layers, or isn't it that bad to put both on top first? What should I do to improve my f2l?

Thanks
Just a confused cuber.
Note: I have been doing f2l for three months, I improved a lot with times, but still with an awful f2l.

 

[Randomno]

You should really work on your last layer a bit first.

 

[EvilGnome6]

Muscle memory comes from repetition and you can't get the proper reps in if you're not doing it right. Slow down, consider each case and work on executing each case efficiently. Take advantage of empty slots and inserting from different angles to minimize cube rotations.

The only way those actions become instincts is when you slow down to do it right. It really doesn't take that long for the slow practice to pay off.

 

[Dong]

You should really work on your cross and last layer. Your F2L seems to be decent..
You can get to a sub-20 just with working on your cross and last layer.
Plan out your whole cross in inspection. Practice doing that. There are other guides for a more complete cover of this information.
For the last layer, work on quickness of algorithms and I would recommend learning the 8 1L OLL algs with no correct edge pieces. 3 are really easy, and the rest aren't much more difficult. Also, 10 seconds is very long. It should be 6.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

Go to algdb.net and learn like 10 F2L algoriths so you get the hang of how to do each case efficiently.

 

[adimare]

Practice like this and let me know if it works for you:

1) Scramble your cube with your cross color on D by doing only R, U and L moves (DF and DB will still be solved when you finish this).
2) Solve the Cross (only R, U and L moves should be necessary, no rotations).
3) Solve the f2l by doing only R, U, L, D moves and no rotations. If you come across a case you feel like you need to solve by doing a rotation, you don't. Take some time to figure out how to solve it quickly without having to rotate the cube.
4) Repeat

I did this while learning ZZ and it greatly improved my CFOP f2l. I now recognize tons of rotationless f2l cases that I used to solve by doing rotations.

 

[darius3]

You should really work on your cross and last layer. Your F2L seems to be decent..
You can get to a sub-20 just with working on your cross and last layer.
Plan out your whole cross in inspection. Practice doing that. There are other guides for a more complete cover of this information.
For the last layer, work on quickness of algorithms and I would recommend learning the 8 1L OLL algs with no correct edge pieces. 3 are really easy, and the rest aren't much more difficult. Also, 10 seconds is very long. It should be 6.

I think you're right. I'll practice that then.
I had already thought on learning those OLL you mention, time to start.

I will also keep practicing f2l as you guys said, and will post later a reply with the results. Thanks to all

 

[OkinawaSolver]

Help I'm around 28-30 seconds and my cross+f2l is 20 seconds what do I do?

 

[mark49152]

Help I'm around 28-30 seconds and my cross+f2l is 20 seconds what do I do?

Read the forums instead of posting. There's a ton of information already here on how to improve. Try the search box.

 

[OkinawaSolver]

Read the forums instead of posting. There's a ton of information already here on how to improve. Try the search box.

Sorry it's hard to use the search bar on the tapatalk app with no accessible computer, plus it's not like I made a new thread. I apologize and will try harder but do you have any advice.

 

[theROUXbiksCube]

Sorry it's hard to use the search bar on the tapatalk app with no accessible computer, plus it's not like I made a new thread. I apologize and will try harder but do you have any advice.

use the mobile website on ur browser

 

[OkinawaSolver]

Ok thanks

 

[King Mike]

Wow, I'm exactly where you are. 3 months F2L (4 months total exp), 25 second avg, full PLL, 2 look OLL
The only difference between you and I is that my 26 second solves include rotationless F2L algs and different angle insertions.

The only reason this is, is that 75% of my practice solves are in slow-mo and the other 25% is trying to go as fast as I can.
Keep doing your minute solves, it will become muscle memory and then be very easy.

If you have an avg of 26 sec with all those rotations and stuff, you can easily be sub 20 when you learn multi angle insertions and algs.

Keep solving slow,
Good luck!