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[AlphaCuber is awesome]

How about this

Why do CFOP solvers make up the majority of the world-class OH solvers if Roux is objectively better? Also, why has everyone not switched to roux yet if it's just so much better then CFOP?

Maybe because most cubers use cfop also lots of people are switching to rouxx

 

[PetrusQuber]

name the points i didnt answer and i will answer them. i left some out beacuse it was saying the same things as last time

Please answer why you said switching to Roux would automatically make you faster.
Also @pjk

 

[Sub1Hour]

Maybe because most cubers use cfop also lots of people are switching to rouxx

And why exactly do most people use CFOP? I mean it's not like people want to use the method that is bad

 

[ProStar]

How about this

Why do CFOP solvers make up the majority of the world-class OH solvers if Roux is objectively better? Also, why has everyone not switched to roux yet if it's just so much better then CFOP?

Stupid argument, it's sample size. And why didn't everyone switch to CFOP back in the 1980s? It was in a magazine

 

[mukerflap]

No, it's cause your argument sucks. In fact, it's gotten even worse than when you started and you've changed it a bunch. And before you go all "no u" 3 year old on me, the only thing I've changed is that CFOP averages around 3 rotations instead of 2, which I offered an explanation for why I changed

Ok tell me what i changed

How about this

Why do CFOP solvers make up the majority of the world-class OH solvers if Roux is objectively better? Also, why has everyone not switched to roux yet if it's just so much better then CFOP?

You also said that 8 was the average cross even though that's the maximum number of moves if you aren't CN

because more people use cfop. I say 8 moves beacuse at a higher level people make xcrosses/ influence first pair. if you were to make only cross, it would be less moves. And despite 99% of people using cfop 10% of top100 Ohaverage is roux users ( that i know of

Max Park's Average TPS (Round2 Thanks for the Invite 2018 (9.99 Ao5)) - 7.53
Kian Mansour's Average TPS (Round2 Cubing under the Stars 2018 (10.87 Ao5)) - 5.47
Roux TPS > CFOP TPS? ... seems legit

why do you mention those 2 specific averages? and max park has a faster average so of course it will be faster

Please answer why you said switching to Roux would automatically make you faster.
Also @pjk

beacuse roux is much easier to get sub 20 Oh with compared to cfop beacuse you dont need as good OH tps

 

[Sub1Hour]

beacuse roux is much easier to get sub 20 Oh with compared to cfop beacuse you dont need as good OH tps

Evidence?

 

[Owen Morrison]

Guys PLEASE STOP!

I got a PB OH single!

 

[Nmile7300]

what is so wrong with arguing its not like you have to look at this thread

Because this thread has gone so off topic. I want to do @Owen Morrison a favor and get the thread back to its original purpose.

 

[mukerflap]

You avoided my point again. Answer me.

except i literally did but you didnt look at my message

 

[AlphaCuber is awesome]

Guys PLEASE STOP!

I got a PB OH single!

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Nice you will be sub me soon

 

[Timoth3]

Thanks for the entertainment everybody but can we please stop arguing? You have an opinion. That’s great. However, we are here to talk about what we love, cubing. Arguing over methods just makes you angry. Take a 5 minute break and take a chill pill. These arguments do not and will not matter.

 

[Sub1Hour]

We should take this argument

AND PUSH IT SOMEWHERE ELSE

 

[ProStar]

Ok tell me what i changed

Before you said FB was RrU and didn't require rotations, and you later said it was RrUuFB. I don't recall specifics of others, but I'm sure at least a couple more could be found if I looked back in your posts

And despite 99% of people using cfop 10% of top100 Ohaverage is roux users ( that i know of

Cherrypicked sample size

why do you mention those 2 specific averages? and max park has a faster average so of course it will be faster

Random averages. And the times in the averages aren't different enough to make a 2 TPS difference, which shows your point about TPS being the same wrong

beacuse roux is much easier to get sub 20 Oh with compared to cfop beacuse you dont need as good OH tps

You said earlier OH TPS is higher in Roux

 

[PetrusQuber]

except i literally did but you didnt look at my message

Still doesn’t explain how you said ‘literally just switch to roux for OH and get it instantly’
You said instantly there. It would take more time to reach sub 20 from a method not your main than to keep going with what you already have.

 

[Sub1Hour]

Still doesn’t explain how you said ‘literally just switch to roux for OH and get it instantly’
You said instantly there. It would take more time to reach sub 20 from a method not your main than to keep going with what you already have.

Before you said FB was RrU and didn't require rotations, and you later said it was RrUuFB. I don't recall specifics of others, but I'm sure at least a couple more could be found if I looked back in your posts



Cherrypicked sample size



Random averages. And the times in the averages aren't different enough to make a 2 TPS difference, which shows your point about TPS being the same wrong



You said earlier OH TPS is higher in Roux

We should take this argument
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AND PUSH IT SOMEWHERE ELSE

 

[ProStar]

Thanks for the entertainment everybody but can we please stop arguing? You have an opinion. That’s great.

I don't have a problem with Muk having an opinion that Roux is better for OH than CFOP. I have a problem when he says it is definitely better for OH without proof.

However, we are here to talk about what we love, cubing.

We are talking about cubing

Arguing over methods just makes you angry. Take a 5 minute break and take a chill pill. These arguments do not and will not matter.

I'm not angry, I'm trying to make Muk see he's wrong and that he shouldn't be stating opinions as fact

 

[Sub1Hour]

Ok, if you are going to continue to talk about the OH method debate, do it here please https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/oh-method-debate.77482/#post-1371285

 

[Timoth3]

I don't have a problem with Muk having an opinion that Roux is better for OH than CFOP. I have a problem when he says it is definitely better for OH without proof.



We are talking about cubing



I'm not angry, I'm trying to make Muk see he's wrong and that he shouldn't be stating opinions as fact

I wasn’t trying to say you are in the wrong. I just wanted the arguing to subside.

 

[Sub1Hour]

I wasn’t trying to say you are in the wrong. I just wanted the arguing to subside.

We are done here, stop talking about this debate in this thread, this is just a quest thread and lets try and keep it that way from now on

 

[ProStar]

I already tried to move on after my 2nd or 3rd post, when I had sufficiently proven my point to Muk. That being said, I don't really want to play the blame game right now.