OH Method Debate

[Owen Morrison]

@PetrusQuber assuming owen is new to OH, he likely doesnt have the finger strnegth to turn 3+tps, therefore it would be easier with roux because you can be sub 20 with sub 3 tps

I am new to OH, but I have no problem with my fingers not being strong enough to turn fast.

 

[Cuberstache]

yruru is trash

Whether it's better than Roux or not has yet to be seen, but it's certainly not trash. It's at least very close to other OH methods.

 

[ProStar]

@PetrusQuber assuming owen is new to OH, he likely doesnt have the finger strnegth to turn 3+tps, therefore it would be easier with roux because you can be sub 20 with sub 3 tps

His TPS limit with Roux will be different than with CFOP, since it's a different moveset. Also he can easily break 3 TPS, to refer to J Perm's video: You should have the same TPS as the speed you can have sexy*6 [for OH, not TH]

roux still has better movecount

Roux still has worse TPS ceiling

yruru is trash

OMG ANOTHER OPINION WITHOUT PROOF PLEASE SHUT UP UNTIL YOU HAVE PROOF

what techniques? what roux stuff?

Blockbuilding is the biggest one, would take a long time for him to get used to, especially with his CFOP habits. Also he still has to learn Roux and get used to LSE

thats not applicable here, there is no source to go off

XD you just proved your point: you have no source other than your opinion. If you don't have proof then don't state it as fact

 

[Sub1Hour]

thats not applicable here, there is no source to go off

So therefore you cannot say its trash without any proof. You literally just shut down your own argument by saying there is nothing to back up your claim. And yes, it is in fact applicable to ask someone how they formed an opinion

 

[Cuberstache]

what techniques? what roux stuff?

CMLL and LSE. He's not going to instantly be sub-20 if he switched to Roux since he would have to learn and get comfortable with those new steps.

 

[mukerflap]

So therefore you cannot say its trash without any proof. You literally just shut down your own argument by saying there is nothing to back up your claim. And yes, it is in fact applicable to ask someone how they formed an opinion

noun
noun: source; plural noun: sources

1. 1.
   a place, person, or thing from which something originates or can be obtained.

only 1 person uses the method so i cannot give a source. However i can say things based on the description of the method

 

[PetrusQuber]

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noun: source; plural noun: sources

1. 1.
   a place, person, or thing from which something originates or can be obtained.

only 1 person uses the method so i cannot give a source. However i can say things based on the description of the method

How does description tell you it’s bad?

 

[Sub1Hour]

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   a place, person, or thing from which something originates or can be obtained.

only 1 person uses the method so i cannot give a source. However i can say things based on the description of the method

Like what? YruRu is 4 gen and has excellent fingertricks without having to use table abuse. Not to mention 1L2GLL algs are out there and can be applied

 

[fun at the joy]

Random averages. And the times in the averages aren't different enough to make a 2 TPS difference, which shows your point about TPS being the same wrong

why do you mention those 2 specific averages? and max park has a faster average so of course it will be faster

These were the most recent reconstructed official OH Averages on cubesolv.es.

and max park has a faster average so of course it will be faster

Max Park's Average TPS (Round 3 2FTI San Diego 2016 (10.59 Ao5)) - 7.57

roux still has better movecount

You said: "Beacuse of 0 rotations and better ergonomics you can reach a higher TPS"
I clearly showed that Roux does NOT have higher TPS than CFOP, it's a lot lower actually. Stop saying "But Roux has less moves blah blah"

 

[ProStar]

noun
noun: source; plural noun: sources

1. 1.
   a place, person, or thing from which something originates or can be obtained.

only 1 person uses the method so i cannot give a source. However i can say things based on the description of the method

You have no source of proof that yruru is bad is what we're saying

 

[mukerflap]

CMLL and LSE. He's not going to instantly be sub-20 if he switched to Roux since he would have to learn and get comfortable with those new steps.

how is CMLL hard to get comfortable with. and he says he averages 19 with roux already

 

[mukerflap]

How does description tell you it’s bad?

here is a description of my new method.
Use only j perm to solve the cube
are you seriously saying this description cannot tell you a sinlge thing on whether the method is bad?
can you prove this method is bad without a source?

 

[ProStar]

how is CMLL hard to get comfortable with. and he says he averages 19 with roux already

Again, it's almost all blockbuilding techniques. CMLL is still 42 new algs, which takes time to get used to

 

[mukerflap]

Like what? YruRu is 4 gen and has excellent fingertricks without having to use table abuse. Not to mention 1L2GLL algs are out there and can be applied

there is nothing wrong with table abuse

 

[PetrusQuber]

how is CMLL hard to get comfortable with. and he says he averages 19 with roux already

I avg 19 with LBL, don’t practise it. Also blockbuilding is the main one.

 

[ProStar]

here is a description of my new method.
Use only j perm to solve the cube
are you seriously saying this description cannot tell you a sinlge thing on whether the method is bad?
can you prove this method is bad without a source?

For that specific method, yes. Low TPS because of having to look around the cube for each swap. Bad lookahead for the same reason. And awful movecount. Ergonomics are okay, but it doesn't matter because of the previous points.


I can't do that with YruRU, and neither can you

 

[mukerflap]

You have no source of proof that yruru is bad is what we're saying

give me a source that solving the cube with only j perms is a bad method

I avg 19 with LBL, don’t practise it. Also blockbuilding is the main one.

blockbuilding is literally easy and im a former cfop user it does not take long to get used to. even if you dont blockbuild cfop solutions arent bad for roux.

 

[Sub1Hour]

here is a description of my new method.
Use only j perm to solve the cube
are you seriously saying this description cannot tell you a sinlge thing on whether the method is bad?
can you prove this method is bad without a source?

Yes, Movecount will be easily 200+. Horrible Efficiency. Also completely Idiotic

Now lets look at the description of YruRU

4Gen after CP Line, Reasonable move count, excellent fingertricks, 2GLL is easy, Tons of small optimizations.

And for the last time, TELL US WHY YruRU IS TRASH

 

[mukerflap]

For that specific method, yes. Low TPS because of having to look around the cube for each swap. Bad lookahead for the same reason. And awful movecount. Ergonomics are okay, but it doesn't matter because of the previous points.


I can't do that with YruRU, and neither can you

and i think yruru is bad because of the description of the method

 

[brododragon]

here is a description of my new method.
Use only j perm to solve the cube
are you seriously saying this description cannot tell you a sinlge thing on whether the method is bad?
can you prove this method is bad without a source?

You know what we want, stop nitpicking at the wording. Just prove that YruRu isn't good!