OH Method Debate

[mukerflap]

But you can plan cp in inspection...

when did i say you couldnt?

Your own words: "I can tell it's bad from the description"



RUru can be done fast, as long as they don't alternate that much. EO isn't as hard as ZZ EO, similar to how doing EO in Roux isn't bad because of how much easier is.

yes it is because you have to recognise it instantly, whereas in zz eo you have 15 seconds to plan eo, roux eo there are 0 blindspots and is very easily predicted in cmll as cmll is an algorithm

 

[ProStar]

Why is it important to say that a method you don't use isn't as good as one you do use? With speed cubing, there's two objectives, improve your own time and/or be faster than others. Getting people to use the method you believe is faster, which they don't agree with, seems counter productive. If people want to spend time on other methods, just let them. The only reason I think someone might argue against it, is if they're afraid it might end up being faster and they'll have wasted time themselves on an inferior method.

I think Roux is better for OH than CFOP. I've said that. I'm arguing against Muk's stupidity, not whether Roux is better. I don't have proof that Roux is better, which is why it's simply my opinion and I don't state it as fact.

 

[Sub1Hour]

0 blindspots

Hmm yes, let me see through the cube to the DB slot. Or I could even use a mirror under the cube to take a peek at what piece that is

 

[ProStar]

whereas in zz eo you have 15 seconds to plan eo, roux eo there are 0 blindspots and is very easily predicted in cmll as cmll is an algorithm

you don't use 15 seconds to plan EO, and lookahead is made easier in OH. Roux EO has blind spots, I'd like you to scramble a cube, look at the U face only, and tell me what the DF and DB edges are.

 

[mukerflap]

I dont care if quotes can sum it up better then you can. Why write an essay when you can just plagarise one from someone with the same viewpoint as you? I mean they can sum it up better than you can. The 1 line you gave does not hold enough evidence to disprove the method. You are totally ignoring that 2GLL is excellent along with ergonomics being much better then roux because it does not require table abuse to achieve excellent TPS.

how on earth do you consider it not requiring table abuse to be a valid argument

 

[ProStar]

Or I could even use a mirror under the cube to take a peek at what piece that is

Kian's secret method revealed. Forget Zeroing, this is the new thing

 

[mukerflap]

you don't use 15 seconds to plan EO, and lookahead is made easier in OH. Roux EO has blind spots, I'd like you to scramble a cube, look at the U face only, and tell me what the DF and DB edges are.

EO is always even. You can count the edges on the U layer, and if the DF sticker is White/yellow, its misoriented. therefore there are no blindspots because its so easy to know exactly of the DB edge is oriented or not

Hmm yes, let me see through the cube to the DB slot. Or I could even use a mirror under the cube to take a peek at what piece that is

 

[Sub1Hour]

EO is always even. You can count the edges on the U layer, and if the DF sticker is White/yellow, its misoriented. therefore there are no blindspots because its so easy to know exactly of the DB edge is oriented or not

Ok so you never ever have to know what the DB edge is during FB or SB, makes perfect sense to me.

 

[ProStar]

Ok so you never ever have to know what the DB edge is during FB or SB, makes perfect sense to me.

He said specifically for EO

 

[mukerflap]

Ok so you never ever have to know what the DB edge is during FB or SB, makes perfect sense to me.

its easy to know beacuse you plan FB+SS/DR in inspection in high level roux

 

[Sub1Hour]

He said specifically for EO

For EO you don't need to know what it is, but for FB and SB you do. CFOP has 0 blind spots after 1st pair if you insert into RB or LB, That portion of the solve can be 1 looked by a lot of cubers so CFOP essentially has no blind spots

 

[mukerflap]

For EO you don't need to know what it is, but for FB and SB you do. CFOP has 0 blind spots after 1st pair if you insert into RB or LB, That portion of the solve can be 1 looked by a lot of cubers so CFOP essentially has no blind spots

Have you ever heard of lookahead before, and you literally plan FB and a part of sb in inspection

 

[ProStar]

Have you ever heard of lookahead before

Have you ever heard of the concept of shutting up when you're beaten before?

 

[fun at the joy]

when did i say you couldnt?

yes it is because you have to recognise it instantly, whereas in zz eo you have 15 seconds to plan eo, roux eo there are 0 blindspots and is very easily predicted in cmll as cmll is an algorithm

If Roux doesn't have blind spots during EO then YRuru doesn't have them either

the quotes sum it up better than i can. and i did give my own words

yruru sucks because you cant plan EO in inspection, the movecount isnt much better than cfop, wide u moves arent good

There are 2.57 Uw Moves on Average on the last 21 example solves with YRuru. Uw moves suck but 3 per solve doesn't make YRuru thrash.

 

[Sub1Hour]

Have you ever heard of lookahead before

Yes, In fact I have. I find it much easier to lookahead to pieces that are visible throughout 3/4 of the solve. Roux has blind spots as well as CFOP, but its much easier to mitigate when the blind spot has been eliminated during the first 1-2 seconds instead of during the entire solve

 

[mukerflap]

If Roux doesn't have blind spots during EO then YRuru doesn't have them either

There are 2.57 Uw Moves on Average on the last 21 example solves with YRuru. Uw moves suck but 3 per solve doesn't make YRuru thrash.

no because roux EO is different from yruru eo

 

[Sub1Hour]

no because roux EO is different from yruru eo

Explain

 

[fun at the joy]

no because roux EO is different from yruru eo

how does that relate to the blind spots?

 

[mukerflap]

Explain

this is literally obvious

 

[mukerflap]

how does that relate to the blind spots?

the blindspot in roux eo does not even matter becaause you can instantly know what orientation it is