New(?) Roux Alg Set: EO + RF Flip

[Ross The Boss]

Hey, guys. I have never seen a collection of algorithms for solving step 4a of LSE (EO) and fixing a missoriented F2B edge, so i decided to put one together. I go into more detail on the validity and statistics involved in the attached file: View attachment EO + RF flip.txt I think you could call this set "odd EO" because at first glance it looks like there is an odd number of flips, and there is a double entendre with odd also implying 'strange' or 'different'... but call it whatever you will.

I am doing the same thing for situations where an F2B edge (which im always assuming is RF, by by doing things like mirrors and R/L2s it can work for any edge) is completely missing. here is a document for a subset of that which i think(pretty sure) is complete: View attachment EO + RF displaced and bad (bad edge in slot).txt the document is not very well put together or described, but i just wanted to give an example.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

i fail putting in an edge 1/12 solves and it is disgusting...thi should help if its not too hard to learn

 

[Ross The Boss]

oh ya, they are easy as pie. you'll notice the patterns quickly. but remember to work on accuracy, dont just use this as an excuse to get sloppy, you know?

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

oh ya, they are easy as pie. you'll notice the patterns quickly. but remember to work on accuracy, dont just use this as an excuse to get sloppy, you know?

True. Recently, I have started using the Guroux technique (veery loose cube) so now my tps is very slow and lookahead buff is real! Its a very useful alg set though for saving some moves or fixing a mistake

 

[GuRoux]

oh ya, they are easy as pie. you'll notice the patterns quickly. but remember to work on accuracy, dont just use this as an excuse to get sloppy, you know?

i think it's only useful as an excuse to get sloppy. you should almost never do this accidentally, so it you see an easy insert with this, it might be worth it. but really i don't think it helps much unless you mis insert that edge accidentally.

True. Recently, I have started using the Guroux technique (veery loose cube) so now my tps is very slow and lookahead buff is real! Its a very useful alg set though for saving some moves or fixing a mistake

isn't loose usually higher tps? i don't have much experience with tight, but i usually can't move as fast when it is tight.

 

[Ross The Boss]

i think it's only useful as an excuse to get sloppy.

i disagree. being prepared to deal with accidents properly is not the same as becoming accepting of the accidents. this almost never happens to me during second block unless they end up paired like that after constructing the square. the mistakes usually only ever show up for me as a result of FB missplanning. i just chose the RF edge because it seems to be the common one to talk about. like i said, the algs can be mirrored and stuff.

 

[GuRoux]

i disagree. being prepared to deal with accidents properly is not the same as becoming accepting of the accidents. this almost never happens to me during second block unless they end up paired like that after constructing the square. the mistakes usually only ever show up for me as a result of FB missplanning. i just chose the RF edge because it seems to be the common one to talk about. like i said, the algs can be mirrored and stuff.

i just don't seem myself messing up too often. if i learn this alg set, won't i be very shaky in performing the algs and recognizing the cases if i almost never do it in solves? in this case, it would be faster to fix the mistake the conventional way and progress. unless you use the alg set often, probably to intentionally mess up for quicker inserts, then you might save a few moves here and there and won't be slow at the algs.

 

[Ross The Boss]

i just don't seem myself messing up too often. if i learn this alg set, won't i be very shaky in performing the algs and recognizing the cases if i almost never do it in solves? in this case, it would be faster to fix the mistake the conventional way and progress. unless you use the alg set often, probably to intentionally mess up for quicker inserts, then you might save a few moves here and there and won't be slow at the algs.

you could specifically do solves where you misorient an edge for practice, even if you wouldnt do it when you are seriously solving. so you would become fast at the algs even though the cases rarely pop up during legit solves. the quicker inserts you mentioned really are negligible wen you consider the extra moves you need to do here. at least thats how i see it

EDIT: i think that you would be able to preform the algs well if drilled them a lot once so that they became ingrained into muscle memory. like i almost never do certain permutations for ll, but i can still execute them well because i practiced them 2 years ago.

 

[GuRoux]

if you do messud up on purpose:
3 move messed up pair insertion. 8.5 move eo + solve mess up = 11.5 moves

if you solved correctly:

5.5 move pair insertion. 6.5 move eo = 12 moves

save .5 moves on average is my guess if you do it on purpose. so maybe it actually is only helpful for when you mess up.

you could specifically do solves where you misorient an edge for practice, even if you wouldnt do it when you are seriously solving. so you would become fast at the algs even though the cases rarely pop up during legit solves. the quicker inserts you mentioned really are negligible wen you consider the extra moves you need to do here. at least thats how i see it

yeah i guess. if you can recognize it as easily as recognizing eo, it might be very slight better to do and it would prepare you for when you actually accidentally do it. but i think i'll hold off from learning it for now.

 

[Ross The Boss]

i have not come across any situations where i could save more than 2 moves. have you though? and even if, i think the inability to manipulate 4b is a big hindrance

 

[GuRoux]

i have not come across any situations where i could save more than 2 moves. have you though? and even if, i think the inability to manipulate 4b is a big hindrance

i think it depends on how you insert pairs. if you are ryan, you do 3 (reverse sexy) which is 11 moves. using your technique, you can reduce it to 7 moves. save 4 moves.

 

[Ross The Boss]

i think it depends on how you insert pairs. if you are ryan, you do 3 (reverse sexy) which is 11 moves. using your technique, you can reduce it to 7 moves. save 4 moves.

i suppose. if i was to say that anything had potential for intentional integration to speedsolving, i would lean more toward the second document i included. once i generate the other sets we'll see if it still looks as nice.

EDIT: though there would be a metric assload of algs for some of them.... i just hope the patterns are simple

 

[Berd]

Looks cool!

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

i think it's only useful as an excuse to get sloppy. you should almost never do this accidentally, so it you see an easy insert with this, it might be worth it. but really i don't think it helps much unless you mis insert that edge accidentally.



isn't loose usually higher tps? i don't have much experience with tight, but i usually can't move as fast when it is tight.

When its tight, I dont pop or corner twist, so I freely turn agrresively. With my new loose tensions, individual turns take no effort, and my turning style is light and slower.