Memory Methods

[fanwuq]

1.I seriously need some major help with BLD before I give up on it. I love solving BLD, but I never ever got a successful solve. Once I can actually solve blindfolded, I would do it more that speed solving. It feel really stupid when you memo for minutes and end up with a DNF when random stranger are watching.Now I'm kind of stuck on choosing my memo method. I use letters (consonants) and try to make words. I generally get about 8 random words that doesn't make a sentence. I can easily memo this but I have a tendency to rememo. So I thought visually would work better for me. I tried it a few times and got corners only successfully. But that is perhaps too many shapes, because I do Orientation visually already and the CO cases that aren't OLL algs are really hard to memo. I usually have to think about how to do orientation before I begin solving and some difficult CO cases would take me minutes to plan what to do for them. On OLL-looking cases, the whole process, memo and solving would take less that 2 minutes for corners only. Edge permutation are a pain to memo both ways. I sometimes use the wrong letter for the places on the cube. Or visually, some of the shapes are awkward.

 

[tim]

1.I seriously need some major help with BLD before I give up on it. I love solving BLD, but I never ever got a successful solve. Once I can actually solve blindfolded, I would do it more that speed solving. It feel really stupid when you memo for minutes and end up with a DNF when random stranger are watching.Now I'm kind of stuck on choosing my memo method. I use letters (consonants) and try to make words. I generally get about 8 random words that doesn't make a sentence. I can easily memo this but I have a tendency to rememo. So I thought visually would work better for me. I tried it a few times and got corners only successfully. But that is perhaps too many shapes, because I do Orientation visually already and the CO cases that aren't OLL algs are really hard to memo. I usually have to think about how to do orientation before I begin solving and some difficult CO cases would take me minutes to plan what to do for them. On OLL-looking cases, the whole process, memo and solving would take less that 2 minutes for corners only. Edge permutation are a pain to memo both ways. I sometimes use the wrong letter for the places on the cube. Or visually, some of the shapes are awkward.

Seriously: One cube has not much information to memorize, so every method will work, just practice your brain. And avoid mistakes.

 

[scuber123]

I think that you are using OLL algorithms to orient, which may be the problem. I think OLL algorithms affect permutation.

 

[Inusagi]

1.I seriously need some major help with BLD before I give up on it. I love solving BLD, but I never ever got a successful solve. Once I can actually solve blindfolded, I would do it more that speed solving. It feel really stupid when you memo for minutes and end up with a DNF when random stranger are watching.Now I'm kind of stuck on choosing my memo method. I use letters (consonants) and try to make words. I generally get about 8 random words that doesn't make a sentence. I can easily memo this but I have a tendency to rememo. So I thought visually would work better for me. I tried it a few times and got corners only successfully. But that is perhaps too many shapes, because I do Orientation visually already and the CO cases that aren't OLL algs are really hard to memo. I usually have to think about how to do orientation before I begin solving and some difficult CO cases would take me minutes to plan what to do for them. On OLL-looking cases, the whole process, memo and solving would take less that 2 minutes for corners only. Edge permutation are a pain to memo both ways. I sometimes use the wrong letter for the places on the cube. Or visually, some of the shapes are awkward.

Seriously: One cube has not much information to memorize, so every method will work, just practice your brain. And avoid mistakes.

I have the same problem. I think one cube is very much. And when I do some solves I get confused from solved before, in memo. And when I create images, I can't split others images I have used before and the one I should use for the moment.

 

[tim]

1.I seriously need some major help with BLD before I give up on it. I love solving BLD, but I never ever got a successful solve. Once I can actually solve blindfolded, I would do it more that speed solving. It feel really stupid when you memo for minutes and end up with a DNF when random stranger are watching.Now I'm kind of stuck on choosing my memo method. I use letters (consonants) and try to make words. I generally get about 8 random words that doesn't make a sentence. I can easily memo this but I have a tendency to rememo. So I thought visually would work better for me. I tried it a few times and got corners only successfully. But that is perhaps too many shapes, because I do Orientation visually already and the CO cases that aren't OLL algs are really hard to memo. I usually have to think about how to do orientation before I begin solving and some difficult CO cases would take me minutes to plan what to do for them. On OLL-looking cases, the whole process, memo and solving would take less that 2 minutes for corners only. Edge permutation are a pain to memo both ways. I sometimes use the wrong letter for the places on the cube. Or visually, some of the shapes are awkward.

Seriously: One cube has not much information to memorize, so every method will work, just practice your brain. And avoid mistakes.

I have the same problem. I think one cube is very much. And when I do some solves I get confused from solved before, in memo. And when I create images, I can't split others images I have used before and the one I should use for the moment.

Then save your information at a specific location. Place your images of your first cube in your room, your second cube at your grandma's house etc. This way you won't get confused from previous solves.

 

[Inusagi]

Ok, thanks. I am trying this out.

 

[scuber123]

Memorizing one cube should not be very difficult. I will go through an example with you. (I will use old Pochmann for simplicity, Buffer=UR).
I have a letter assigned to each sticker.

EDGES

UR/RU
UBL/BUL/LBU UNUSED

UR = A, RU = B
UF = C, FU = D
UL = E, LU = F
UB = G, BU = H
FR = I, RF = J
FL = K, LF = L
BL = M, LB = N
BR = O, RB = P
DR = Q, RD = R
DF = S, FD = T
DL = U, LD = V
DB = W, BD = X

CORNERS

UFR/FUR/RUF = A/I/Q
UFL/FUL/LUF = B/J/R
UBL/BUL/LUB = C/K/S
UBR/BUR/RUB = D/L/T
DFR/FDR/RDF = E/M/U
DFL/FDL/LDF = F/N/V
DBL/BLD/LBD = G/O/W
DBR/BRD/RBD = H/P/X

Apply this scramble to a solved cube:
L U2 L2 D' U' R' B F2 D' F' R' B D' R B2 F' D' B2 L2 D F' B' D R U
(U=White, F=Green) z2 y to orient

EDGES
Start at A.
A->F->K->I->S->M (End of Cycle)
Q->G->Q (End of Cycle, Remember DL is flipped, so UR must
be flipped)

CORNERS
Q (End of Cycle)
E->X->N->R->M (End of Cycle)
G->D->G

I remember in letter pairs. For edges I would remember:
AFter, KId, SAm, QueG, Q (Single letter indicates parity)
Corners: QuEst, XeNa, RiM, GoD, G

Hope this helped.

 

[Inusagi]

I use the Pao system, but I guess it's as hard as the method you use.

 

[Inusagi]

How many routes do you got to have before you don't get confused??

 

[joey]

I know that tim has 20+ routes, since he needs that many for multi-bld. If you are not doing multi-bld, you probably only need 3-4 routes.

 

[Inusagi]

Thanks! I have a another question. Do the image/s have a relationship to the room? I mean, let say I have a person juggling some balls in a room. Is that person just going to stand in the room and juggling the balls? Or is he going to do something more then that? Like touching something else in the room, jumping in the room etc...

(One of the words in the text may be wrong, but I am too lazy to check it out.)

 

[tim]

Thanks! I have a another question. Do the image/s have a relationship to the room? I mean, let say I have a person juggling some balls in a room. Is that person just going to stand in the room and juggling the balls? Or is he going to do something more then that? Like touching something else in the room, jumping in the room etc...

(One of the words in the text may be wrong, but I am too lazy to check it out.)

That's a very good question. For me it's enough to just place the images somewhere without letting them interact with their environment. But when i first learned the method of loci, i read several times, that it's necessary to link the images with the locations. I think you should try both ways and find out which works best.

btw. i also have an image of a juggler .

/edit: But one thing is sure: the images you linked with the location will stay longer in your head.

 

[Inusagi]

/edit: But one thing is sure: the images you linked with the location will stay longer in your head.

Is that a good thing? Cause if it's stays too long, then maybe I'll forget the other images in other solve, although they're in a another location. In the other way, I won't forget it while solving.

I guess it won't disturb anyway...

 

[fanwuq]

well I agree it is not a lot of info for one cube. I do think my rememo is just pointless, but because I never got a successful solve, I just have to make sure a few times. So I end up DNF with a mess up on execution yet remember the info clearly. Yet I'm afraid of practicing it too much.

What is the advantages of visual and letters?
Can some one compare them?

 

[joey]

Advantages of visual?
No converting data, its just the raw information. I know for people who use fixed images a lot, that they don't need to consiciously think about the image for a piece, but its still a subconcious process. With visual, it is just the plain old facts.

Letters?
Advantagess for me (could be specific), when I use letters (not often), it can be very fun to memo! You can get some funny words/sentences!

 

[Feanaro]

I use a variation of the Pochman method in which I orientate the edges and corners, then permeate them. I memorize the orientation by just sight and remember what to do. I use numbers to memorize the corners, and words in person, verb, person format for the edges. It works very effeciantly.

3x3x3 PB: 18.22 sec
3x3x3 OH: 1:17
3x3x3 BLND: 2:55
2x2x2 PB: 7.35
4x4x4 PB: 2:30

 

[fanwuq]

Ok, thanks joey.

I got a new idea, probably not original. I usually group a few consonants together to form random words. Sometimes it's not even a word, it's just random sounds. So perhaps I should come up with a noun, verb, adjective, preposition, adverb for every letter I use so I can form true sentences more often.

 

[Simboubou]

YEAH !

I achieved a 5/5, 45 minutes. Finaly.

 

[Inusagi]

Could someone explain the first method o to memorize in this thread? The one I mean is the ones that uses shapes (zigzags, pararell lines...), I don't understand how it works..

 

[amateurguy]

^I believe that method is called 'spatial memory' (as someone put it in a thread from way back in time). I use that when memorizing CP. Basically, I 'see' my corner permutation as lines or arrows on a blank cube in my head. These lines make up patterns like 'triangles' or 'zigzags'.

Example scramble: F' U B2 U R' L2 U' B D' F2 L' D L' U' R U2 R2 B U' D2 B' R U' L D2

With buffer as UBR, (I'm using T-perm corners) the CP would follow as such (note: My notation does not follow 'stickers' as I pre-orient corners before solving CP):

UBR --> DFR

(break into new cycle)

UBL --> UFR --> UFL --> DBR --> UBL

If you trace each cycle with arrows or lines, you see patterns.

For the first cycle, I see a simple diagonal line on the right face of the cube. For the second cycle, I see a triangular motion (going clockwise) that suddenly shoots to the far opposite corner and then returning back to the start of the triangle.

When memorizing, I imagine myself tracing or drawing these lines on a cube with my finger, making motions like 'shooting to the far opposite corner' fast and sudden just to make it vivid in my memory. This method is especially easy when all the lines are just straight and not diagonal (and sometimes make letters like Z and X and N!)

Well, this is of course my interpretation of the method. There might be a few others. And I don't know for sure how Leyan Lo memorizes it.