Memory Methods

[RyanReese09]

I'm not quite understanding you joey, How would that help me? (Yes I'm dense, though I am very new to BLD, just started 1 hour ago)

I should also mention I don't know memo techniques (i'm asking around in 1 question answer thread thing to have them distinguished, but no response so far)

 

[MiloD]

I know that a flipped edge means a new setup move, but my question is (sorry for poor phrasing, it's hard to put this into words ), how will I memo this? Aka, I'll memorize that I need to put that peice in the Tperm slot (on the left edge peice, if you know what I mean) but ..

Ok, say I do an L' to setup move, Tperm, undo with L . The peice that is in the FL edge spot is incorrectly flipped..so I gotta L', tperm, and L and now I'm back where I am. I do diff setup move, tperm, and undo setup move.

All is good now, but my question is, I could easily (as in that example) mistake the setup moves and get an incorrect flip, how could I ensure that I don't do something stupid like the incorrect flip? Is there a secret?

Sorry if the answer is blatantly obvious, I've thought about it and unless I actually visually go through the moves in my head, I won't know about the incorrect flip (though that could mess up my memo for the rest of the solve that I'm trying to remember )

sounds to me like you are memorizing pieces instead of stickers...

 

[joey]

Just do what you said about following the moves to do the correct flip.

You shouldn't be asking questions if you only started an hour ago.

 

[RyanReese09]

Nope, if I see a white sticker on top in the buffer, I look at the white side to see what sticker needs t obe on the other end of the tperm, but I'm just asking how to remember that? Because unless I have some sort of memory, I could easily just do any setup move and do a perm and that would screw up my orientation of the edge peice.

I'm thinking of making a video to explain this, it's hard in just plain words.

[edit]ok joey, so should i remember what setup moves i should do when in real solve? (after i have the memo down) That way I don't do wrong setup?

 

[kinch2002]

You just remember what sticker it is. You seem to be confused about the fact that you might need a memory for bld. Don't memorise piece positions. Memorise specific stickers instead

 

[MiloD]

Just do what you said about following the moves to do the correct flip.

You shouldn't be asking questions if you only started an hour ago.

jesus christ let him ask his stupid questions. he can ask whatever he wants, he already got his stupid thread deleted. the culture of elitism on this forum is really getting to me.

 

[RyanReese09]

I know I will need memory for BLD, I was wondering though if my memory needs to extend outside of the memo, and get into the setup moves

Do this
Tperm, L', Tperm, L

How would I memorize that basic case? Just as an example (not moves, but sticker memo)

edit-milod, yes I was thinking the same thing, we all started new at some point, everyones being harsh on the new BLD guy..
edit-off to the gym, bb in 2 hours or so

 

[kinch2002]

I know I will need memory for BLD, I was wondering though if my memory needs to extend outside of the memo, and get into the setup moves

Do this
Tperm, L', Tperm, L

How would I memorize that basic case? Just as an example (not moves, but sticker memo)

edit-milod, yes I was thinking the same thing, we all started new at some point, everyones being harsh on the new BLD guy..

Well it depends on your memo method, but using visual, you see that the UR sticker goes to FL, which in turn goes to UL so you just remember the front-left sticker followed by the up-left sticker.

EDIT: I think most of the guys who have been doing bld for ages realise that they were also noobish at some point, but they also know that they didn't rely so much on other people when they learnt. Remember that internet information on cubing hasn't been around all that long, and most of these guys had to figure a lot of stuff out by themselves, so they get a little peeved when new blders come along expecting to be told step-by-step what to do by other people. You've got to give a lot of guys credit for what they did to advance bld methods.

 

[MiloD]

I know I will need memory for BLD, I was wondering though if my memory needs to extend outside of the memo, and get into the setup moves

Do this
Tperm, L', Tperm, L

How would I memorize that basic case? Just as an example (not moves, but sticker memo)

edit-milod, yes I was thinking the same thing, we all started new at some point, everyones being harsh on the new BLD guy..
edit-off to the gym, bb in 2 hours or so

so UR slot is the buffer

first sticker is FL, sticker in FL slot is UL

FL: L' Tperm L
UL: Tperm

 

[RyanReese09]

IT JUST CLICKED. THANK YOU SO MUCH

 

[joey]

Just do what you said about following the moves to do the correct flip.

You shouldn't be asking questions if you only started an hour ago.

jesus christ let him ask his stupid questions. he can ask whatever he wants, he already got his stupid thread deleted. the culture of elitism on this forum is really getting to me.

Why is me wanting him to do some exploration of his own "elitist"?

I think you'll find I am not elitist at all. So please, shut up.

edit:
Isn't calling his thread "stupid", elitist from you?

 

[RyanReese09]

I did explore, but many other sites (and videos) explained in such a poor way

The videos explained well, but didn't go quite in depth

Sites just made it too hard

THus I came here.

 

[joey]

Eugh. Why do people think written tutorials are bad? That's what it seems like.

I learned from Stefans page, and I worked it out, yes it took me a bit of time, but I understood it after a while.

 

[kinch2002]

People seem to sway towards video tutorials these days. I'm not sure why, because I find written pages so much easier. Maybe I'm too old or something. I used no sources except Macky's 3OP page when I learnt bld and I never had to look up any other places or ask anyone anything - I just sat down and studied the page for an afternoon until I could do it. Videos seem like less effort but in reality it's quite hard to not miss out anything while your filming. Written guides are so much more comprehensive

 

[MiloD]

Just do what you said about following the moves to do the correct flip.

You shouldn't be asking questions if you only started an hour ago.

jesus christ let him ask his stupid questions. he can ask whatever he wants, he already got his stupid thread deleted. the culture of elitism on this forum is really getting to me.

Why is me wanting him to do some exploration of his own "elitist"?

I think you'll find I am not elitist at all. So please, shut up.

edit:
Isn't calling his thread "stupid", elitist from you?

maybe a little but at least i was being helpful

 

[joey]

I was being helpful.

 

[RyanReese09]

True helpful, but a but harsh

 

[joey]

I was not harsh in anyway.
But I don't care to carry on with these pointless posts.

 

[Feryll]

People seem to sway towards video tutorials these days. I'm not sure why, because I find written pages so much easier. Maybe I'm too old or something. I used no sources except Macky's 3OP page when I learnt bld and I never had to look up any other places or ask anyone anything - I just sat down and studied the page for an afternoon until I could do it. Videos seem like less effort but in reality it's quite hard to not miss out anything while your filming. Written guides are so much more comprehensive

Don't worry, I'm only 14, and I still prefer written tutorials over anything. When someone coughs or something while explaining, or is just hard to hear at that time, I get frustrated. You can easily look oveer everything again in written tutorials

I learned from Joel's page, though. I liked the layout better. Macky's was too liney-looking, and I wanted Old Pochmann. Just the opinion of a short-attention span customer.

 

[RyanReese09]

*Walks awkwardly back up here*

*waves shyly*

Hi, don't hurt me. I was trying to memorize BLD for the competition (Washington DC Spring) that's happening this Sunday. I signed up for BLD but I've been putting off fully getting the memorization down.

I think I have the edge memorization done.

I've seen Badmephistos video on how you only have to memorize two colors for the corners, he tries to explain it, but I am at a loss to realize why this works? And how I could apply it to every corner.

Obviously I've tried looking for answers so don't bite my head off about searching

A few of them have people telling other people to memorize the 3 colors instead of two (how bad is that? I might go with that, but if so, how?)

I shoiuld also say, I have found good threads! Like this
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62

I almost understand it, but then he uses a different memo technique and that just kills it.

I memorize like this (I forget what it's called, and this is for edges by teh way)

UF RD UB etc etc