Memory Methods

[Repsela]

I don't know if my question is already posted by someone. It's about memo in MBLD. How many images cubers put in every location for each cube? For example i tried on room for all edges (then six or seven images) and one room for all corners ( four about for each room). then two rooms for each cube memorized. I'd like to know what do the best multibld cubers who memorize much cubes i mean more than 20... thank you


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[GenTheSnail]

I don't know if my question is already posted by someone. It's about memo in MBLD. How many images cubers put in every location for each cube? For example i tried on room for all edges (then six or seven images) and one room for all corners ( four about for each room). then two rooms for each cube memorized. I'd like to know what do the best multibld cubers who memorize much cubes i mean more than 20... thank you


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The way I do it, I have 10 locations per room, fit 4 pieces per location, and two cubes per room (8c 12e x 2 = 40).
I am certainly not world class as the largest attempt I've done is only 7, but the main difference (I think?) is the speed at which you can memo. Techniques are very similar.
I learned from

Spoiler: Noah Arthur's Tutorial

He has an official 18/19 MBLD.

 

[Repsela]

The way I do it, I have 10 locations per room, fit 4 pieces per location, and two cubes per room (8c 12e x 2 = 40).
I am certainly not world class as the largest attempt I've done is only 7, but the main difference (I think?) is the speed at which you can memo. Techniques are very similar.
I learned from

Spoiler: Noah Arthur's Tutorial

He has an official 18/19 MBLD.

But the images are visualized in one big scene? I mean: first location one big scene for first cube's edges then another big scene for first cube's corners and the same for the second cube all in the first location? edges image are about six and for corners are about four.


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[Fábio De'Rose]

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But the images are visualized in one big scene? I mean: first location one big scene for first cube's edges then another big scene for first cube's corners and the same for the second cube all in the first location? edges image are about six and for corners are about four.


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Disclaimer: I'm a MBLD Noob. Now that we put that out of the way...

It's important to have your Rooms well organized, IMO. That means you can "walk through" each room and "pick up" each image, one at a time without cluttering the "big picture", if you know what I mean.

Instead of one big scene full of stuff happening at once, personally I prefer to have each one of my Rooms organized in a way that I can walk through it and look at each spot individually, one at a time. As I walk forward I can focus on the smaller pieces of the full act.

I also have transitional places, such as stairs, which help me progress through different environments in very easy ways. And naturally I can place images there, so nothing gets too cluttered in the end and I have spread everything nicely along two rooms or more, if needed.

 

[newtonbase]

Does anyone else have locations that just don't work?
My rooms are all in my actual house. The 2nd room I use has shelving on both sides so I put edges on the left and corners on the right but I have terrible problems with the corners and have to review several times.

 

[Riddler97]

Does anyone else have locations that just don't work?

Sometimes if my locations are too similar it's harder to recall the image, like when I memo wings for BigBLD I always put them in the same room, but I split them up into a few smaller images so they're easier to remember. Although, since they're all in the same room, my location for the first small image is very similar to the second, so I always find myself struggling to recall the second image.

Maybe you should try moving things around a bit more, so instead of keeping everything on the shelves have edges on the shelf and then corners on the floor or something.

I'm no expert, it's just a thought.

 

[newtonbase]

Maybe you should try moving things around a bit more, so instead of keeping everything on the shelves have edges on the shelf and then corners on the floor or something.

I'm no expert, it's just a thought.

I'm wondering if it might be because the shelves aren't visible when I walk into the room. I have to turn to see them. There is a nice space on the floor so I'll try that next time. Thanks.

 

[mark49152]

I'm wondering if it might be because the shelves aren't visible when I walk into the room. I have to turn to see them. There is a nice space on the floor so I'll try that next time. Thanks.

Yeah I try to use distinct locations. In some cases I avoid obvious big ones like the second sofa in favour of something more dissimilar like a windowsill or inside a cupboard.

 

[newtonbase]

Yeah I try to use distinct locations. In some cases I avoid obvious big ones like the second sofa in favour of something more dissimilar like a windowsill or inside a cupboard.

I don't really have an issue with the locations being similar as I never confuse them I just keep drawing a blank on this one.

 

[Fábio De'Rose]

Could this be happening because you're using two sets of shelves on the same room? Even though they're opposite to each other, I can imagine how it could be similar to having two chairs, for example. Even though you know they're two distinct objects, when it comes to the big picture your mind could play tricks on you.

 

[newtonbase]

Could this be happening because you're using two sets of shelves on the same room? Even though they're opposite to each other, I can imagine how it could be similar to having two chairs, for example. Even though you know they're two distinct objects, when it comes to the big picture your mind could play tricks on you.

Possibly but I have other rooms with locations that are similar such as 2 counter tops in my kitchen and the 2 ends of the floor in my hallway.
Brains are funny things.

 

[arquillian]

Does anyone else have locations that just don't work?
My rooms are all in my actual house. The 2nd room I use has shelving on both sides so I put edges on the left and corners on the right but I have terrible problems with the corners and have to review several times.

Try linking the last edge and the first corner targets. Eliminates most recall pauses.
The way I memo for multi is 1 cube per location, two locations per room. I try to distill every cube to a scene (not an image, strictly speaking). Or two mini-scenes for edges and corners. idk, I've never had trouble distinguishing between edge and corner memo.

 

[newtonbase]

Try linking the last edge and the first corner targets. Eliminates most recall pauses.
The way I memo for multi is 1 cube per location, two locations per room. I try to distill every cube to a scene (not an image, strictly speaking). Or two mini-scenes for edges and corners. idk, I've never had trouble distinguishing between edge and corner memo.

It's been a while but I realised that the issue with that location was that there was no obvious front so I didn't know where to start. Ignoring the shelving and using the floor instead has fixed it.

 

[theawesomecuber]

I'm very motivated to improve in BLD, and I think that currently, my slowest step is memorization of the edges.

I use audio memory for the edges and have a lot of issues with retaining 12+ letters through audio pairs. I'm not really seeing much improvement after practicing, and it's not getting easier to remember it all.

I see three options for me that I'm willing to do. First, I could keep at it and hope it gets easier and faster. Many fast people do this, so in theory, I should be able too, with enough practice. Secondly, I could memorize a list of one syllable words, like Chris Hardwick does. I think this would result in better retention, but doing this is a lot of work that I'm not sure I'm up to do, especially while I'm busy writing up my letter pair to image list. And finally, I was working on a system to encode more letters into one syllable. I really like linguistics and therefore I have a pretty good understanding of how syllables and sounds are formed. I couldn't quite figure out how to pack 4 letters in one syllable though. I could make a system to encode 3 letters into a syllable, but that would get confusing as I currently use M2. With either of these, I would practically lose all my progress in familiarity with my letter scheme and encoding them into sounds, and this system would be very complex, assigning multiple sounds to each sticker depending on the part of the syllable. However, retaining the letters would be muuuuuch easier.

I'm most leaning towards option two, but I wanted to ask what other better people thought. Thanks!

 

[newtonbase]

A word list will certainly help. Anki is a good method for practicing them. DeeDubb started a thread on audio pairs with some useful tips on switching out tricky letters etc.
Do you practice tracing? The easier you find that then the more you can concentrate on memo.

 

[Mike Hughey]

I had the same problem with memoing edges with audio. I finally just got past it by memorizing single syllable images for all combinations. It really helped me lots.

 

[sqAree]

Memo the first 8 edge targets with audio, and if there are more, just visualize where the sticker is (probably even faster than full audio if you don't forget the visual part of your memo).

 

[theawesomecuber]

Anki is a good method for practicing them.

Oh believe me, I know . I've used anki to associate 2200 kanji to keywords and to learn the meaning of nearly 2000 Japanese vocab words, and I plan to use anki to associate letter pairs to images and images to commutators. I just am hesitant to add 400 cards that I might not really need. However, right now the consensus seems to be that a word list would help, so I will heavily consider it.

Do you practice tracing? The easier you find that then the more you can concentrate on memo.

What do you mean? Do you just mean going through all the pieces in my edge cycles? Should I be thinking of the letters, but just not memorizing them?

Memo the first 8 edge targets with audio, and if there are more, just visualize where the sticker is (probably even faster than full audio if you don't forget the visual part of your memo).

Hmm, interesting, I'll try this out. I've never really tried visual memory before so I'll be bad, but in the long term this might be really good.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Alex B71]

I'm very motivated to improve in BLD, and I think that currently, my slowest step is memorization of the edges.

I use audio memory for the edges and have a lot of issues with retaining 12+ letters through audio pairs. I'm not really seeing much improvement after practicing, and it's not getting easier to remember it all.

I see three options for me that I'm willing to do. First, I could keep at it and hope it gets easier and faster. Many fast people do this, so in theory, I should be able too, with enough practice. Secondly, I could memorize a list of one syllable words, like Chris Hardwick does. I think this would result in better retention, but doing this is a lot of work that I'm not sure I'm up to do, especially while I'm busy writing up my letter pair to image list. And finally, I was working on a system to encode more letters into one syllable. I really like linguistics and therefore I have a pretty good understanding of how syllables and sounds are formed. I couldn't quite figure out how to pack 4 letters in one syllable though. I could make a system to encode 3 letters into a syllable, but that would get confusing as I currently use M2. With either of these, I would practically lose all my progress in familiarity with my letter scheme and encoding them into sounds, and this system would be very complex, assigning multiple sounds to each sticker depending on the part of the syllable. However, retaining the letters would be muuuuuch easier.

I'm most leaning towards option two, but I wanted to ask what other better people thought. Thanks!

I also have had this problem in the past, Here's what i do now.

I use a P.A.O system for corners (Can chuck locations in also if it is relevant and strengthens the image) and for edges i always do the first 8 with audio and the last ones (If any) with two fast words that don't need to make much sense, like DGOJ would be DoG OJ (Orange Juice or OJ Simpson). I also memo corner twists as a specific person for each corner and they are displayed a certain way depending on rotation direction, Edge flips are purely visual (I leave my fingers on the flips during the memo and just before dropping the blindfold i "Snapshot" where my fingers were).

Before i started doing this, about 2 months ago, i would use sentence memo for corners and full audio for edges with flips and twists being visual. My memo splits (according to the times i was getting just before switching) were 10-20 seconds for corners and 20-35 seconds for edges with somewhat poor accuracy, unless i was aiming for accuracy but then i would be going into the higher memo time.

Looking at today's session data i am getting 7 seconds for corners and 9-13 seconds for edges with some going over these and some going as low as sub-15 memo. But that seems to be the general area. Accuracy also increased quite dramatically a couple of days after switching but that was also the same day i decided to switch parity methods.

The best thing i like about this is that when i'm doing the first 8 edges i can rehearse the corner memo quite easily at the same time and then when i am doing the last of the edges i can do a quick recall of the first 8 and then finally snapshot any flipped edges.

I don't know if this ramble helped at all but this is the way i have found that works best for me. P.A.O images for corners mean i can go as fast as i like and not worry about strengthening, but it did take about 2 months to make a full list and their's still some pairs that are not fluent.

Good luck, man!

 

[theawesomecuber]

I also have had this problem in the past, Here's what i do now.

I use a P.A.O system for corners (Can chuck locations in also if it is relevant and strengthens the image) and for edges i always do the first 8 with audio and the last ones (If any) with two fast words that don't need to make much sense, like DGOJ would be DoG OJ (Orange Juice or OJ Simpson). I also memo corner twists as a specific person for each corner and they are displayed a certain way depending on rotation direction, Edge flips are purely visual (I leave my fingers on the flips during the memo and just before dropping the blindfold i "Snapshot" where my fingers were).

Before i started doing this, about 2 months ago, i would use sentence memo for corners and full audio for edges with flips and twists being visual. My memo splits (according to the times i was getting just before switching) were 10-20 seconds for corners and 20-35 seconds for edges with somewhat poor accuracy, unless i was aiming for accuracy but then i would be going into the higher memo time.

Looking at today's session data i am getting 7 seconds for corners and 9-13 seconds for edges with some going over these and some going as low as sub-15 memo. But that seems to be the general area. Accuracy also increased quite dramatically a couple of days after switching but that was also the same day i decided to switch parity methods.

The best thing i like about this is that when i'm doing the first 8 edges i can rehearse the corner memo quite easily at the same time and then when i am doing the last of the edges i can do a quick recall of the first 8 and then finally snapshot any flipped edges.

I don't know if this ramble helped at all but this is the way i have found that works best for me. P.A.O images for corners mean i can go as fast as i like and not worry about strengthening, but it did take about 2 months to make a full list and their's still some pairs that are not fluent.

Good luck, man!

I really like your strategy for edges. I think memorizing the first eight letters with audio and the rest with words (that critically, aren't necessarily one syllable, so that I wouldn't have to make a new list), would work very well for me. Or maybe I could do the first 4 targets with words and the rest with audio, I'll have to try them both out.

This does mean that I need to add more letters to my letter pair list, in order to accommodate the different buffer, which might be problematic. For example, for "X" I am often using "A" when I can't find an image that uses "X", which is fine since my buffer has "A". However, if I implement this, I would have to make sure not to confuse "A" with "X" pretending to be "A", if that makes sense. I mean this is something I'd have to do anyway if I wanted to get into bigger cubes BLD, which I think I will. (quick sidenote: I plan on using a UB buffer for when I switch to 3-style, which has my "A" letter, so this is a short term problem)

Thanks for ramble and for the luck!