Intuitive F2L

[DAE_JA_VOO]

Awesome

Thanks a lot pcwiz! I can do Intuitive F2L just fine now, i just need to practice it to get fast! I'll keep at it for a few weeks and then have a look at the algs

 

[Erik]

Just want to point out why intuitive F2L is so powerfull and better and easier :
one of my classmates learned F2L without my help in just one weekend! And he's quite effective too! Too bad he doesn't want to compete...

 

[fanwuq]

Great tutorial! I already do intuitive F2L and don't need any help at all, but I think some of my "cube apprentices" should watch them. They are so inefficient.

 

[*LukeMayn*]

I watched Badmxxxxxxx (can't remember the rest of the names) video part 1 and 2 on youtube! GOD that was the BEST intuitive F2L video ever. THANKS

 

[genwin]

Its Badmephisto.... I will definitely agree... its the best intuitive F2L guide out there on youtube... Bookmarked it already and made some handwritten notes on the three cases... and some practice should bring my times sub 1:00 for LBL..

 

[coopersacatfilms]

actually it is easier to learn the algorithms becuase they become intuitive as you learn tham also some of them you already know

 

[pcwiz]

actually it is easier to learn the algorithms becuase they become intuitive as you learn tham also some of them you already know

Wait what? Your grammar doesn't make sense...

Okay I understand the first part, and I disagree. I would argue that algorithms are not easier to learn. I think I've already said this in another thread, but I'm going to say it again.

If you get good instruction, you can learn intuitive F2L in about 1-3 days. You will learn it and understand it, and be able to execute it well in that matter of time. For the algorithms, 41... maybe 1+ months to learn them, and execute them well? Easier? I disagree. If you JUST learn the algorithms, you don't know any 'intuitive" things, so how can that be easier? You have no idea how the algorithms work, so learning 41 algorithms is going to take a while. With intuitive F2L, you don't need algorithms - you just know how it works.

After you learn intuitive F2L, you should learn some of the algorithms, because there may be some cases when the corner and edge pieces are paired up incorrectly, and the intuitive F2L won't make it fast. THEN learning the algorithms will be easy.

Also, if you just learn the algorithms, you may not know that if you do something wrong, you may break up an incorrect piece. The algorithms are already set up to avoid this, but if you want to insert from a different angle, or make up your own tricks, that's not going to be easy. With intuitive F2L, you know how everything works, so it's easier.

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

Learning intuitive F2L isn't difficult at all. I learned it in a few hours. The trick is to actually get good at it. Intuitive F2L is no good if it takes you 3 minutes to do it.

 

[linkmaster03]

Wow this thread is still going. I can do F2L in about 20 seconds now lol.

 

[deno]

The trick is to actually get good at it. Intuitive F2L is no good if it takes you 3 minutes to do it.

Does this mean that when you see all the intuitive F2L moves, you first learn how they work. Then memorize them so that you no more use 'intuition' to solve, only muscle memory?

Did i get it right?

 

[pcwiz]

The trick is to actually get good at it. Intuitive F2L is no good if it takes you 3 minutes to do it.

Does this mean that when you see all the intuitive F2L moves, you first learn how they work. Then memorize them so that you no more use 'intuition' to solve, only muscle memory?

Did i get it right?

Correct. If you practice Intuitive F2L for several days, you'll become so good at it (if you practice hard), that you can do it without thinking, because you already know how to it works, and it can be performed very fast. In the first few days, it's going to be very slow, but it'll pay off later.

 

[LamentConfiguration]

Great vids, now I'm REALLY torn between Roux and Fridrich!

 

[linkmaster03]

Yeah, with intuitive F2L, all you do is "learn" the algorithms yourself. Your muscles do, because I couldn't write down any F2L algs for my life. You learn all the shortcuts and tricks after a while, and can execute them one after another.

 

[info]

Slow F2L Progress

It must take quite a while to get used to Intuitive F2L and become good and fast at it (for some of us at least). I have been hitting it pretty hard (hundreds of solves), and after more than a week, my times are just now *beginning* to approach the times I had before I started it (when I was still using the 8 move algorithms for each center piece with a record time of 1:11). I admit to having felt more than a little frustration (sometimes feeling I was going crazy chasing matching pieces around); but, I can see so many areas where I can improve my time that I am plodding along trying to go slower, look ahead, form my own algorithms, watching badmephisto's and other videos on (advanced) F2L, etc. With the previous algs I felt pretty much like I was at the end of the line.

Someone on another thread posted such quick progress, after only a short period, that I sometimes feel I must be getting something wrong. I must say though, intuitive F2L allows one to really enjoy the cube (I'm enjoying it so much I'm really going slow now), and before trying to memorize too many algorithms, I believe it may be best to take only a few (badmephisto's advanced algs maybe) and then use them as the basis for gaining speed through intuition. I know it's been much discussed but, if anyone can see through my post and guess why it's taking me so much time, please let me know.

Edit: I now see that it was tpsolver who achieved fast progress with intuitive F2L and was hoping for a tip from him possibly.

 

[LamentConfiguration]

I really like this method, as of now I'm totally dedicating to this, I'll get down to 1 minute with a four-look last layer, then I'll work on optimizing the last layer

 

[info]

I really like this method, as of now I'm totally dedicating to this, I'll get down to 1 minute with a four-look last layer, then I'll work on optimizing the last layer

That's exactly what I am doing.

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

Yeah, intuitive F2L takes a while. Mine is still very slow, but i'm not practicing it enough unfortunately (studying PLLs)

 

[blgentry]

I have been hitting it pretty hard (hundreds of solves), and after more than a week, my times are just now *beginning* to approach the times I had before I started it (when I was still using the 8 move algorithms for each center piece with a record time of 1:11).
[...]
I know it's been much discussed but, if anyone can see through my post and guess why it's taking me so much time, please let me know.

I guess it varies from person to person, but for me, the first week of F2L was very slow going. I think at the 7 or 10 day mark I was starting to get around the 1:20 average mark. Progress continued steadily after that, though around that same time, I also began learning the 4 Look Last Layer, so that both helped and hurt my solve times.

You'll get faster, just keep at it. Start looking for common scenarios and try to reduce your number of moves. You'll start picking up little things like knowing exactly how to insert a pair after you've built it using certain cases.

Also remember that it takes approximately 7 days for knowledge to reach your subconscious mind. You're just beginning this process.

Brian.

 

[info]

Thanks. I'm just going to keep hitting it. I like the additional techniques and algorithms that badmephisto presented in his advanced F2L video along with the Fingertricks video. Although the quality is not as good as the new ones, I found the content to be very good. It's very tempting to just try to learn all the F2L algorithms.

 

[*LukeMayn*]

I don't see how it is tempting..... I takes (for me) like 4 months to learn them all, but right now two weeks after learning intuitive, my F2L (including cross) if I go well and look ahead are -20