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Sub 20 without full OLL? Wow!! I seriously need to work on my cross/f2l, because right now they are taking a very long time......
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How to be sub 20
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Bestsimple
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2look oll doesn't really make you solve that much slower when your at that speed. F2l is the part of the solve that takes up the most time so you should work on that.
Ninja Storm
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^ This
The most 2-Look OLL will speed you up is around 2-seconds. Memorizing all those algorithms for it isn't worth it if you don't have a good grasp of F2L. Learn that first.
IQubic
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will doing metronome solve for f2l help?
PCwizCube
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Yes, using a metronome will help you look ahead better in F2L. If you're not sure how to use the metronome to help you practice looking ahead, this video tutorial on looking ahead might help.
IQubic
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I will try that. Also has anyone reconstucted feliks zemdeg's 5.66 WR solve?
PCwizCube
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IQubic
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Thank you so much! I will look that over soon.
DavidCubie
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Full OLL is overrated. Practising f2l, fingertricks and lookahead is much more important than Full OLL.
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I think that it's more that people overestimate how hard it is to learn. It only took me about a month.
I'm not saying that F2L is not WAY more important than full OLL (because it is), I'm just saying that full OLL is easier to learn (than it is to improve your F2L) and shaves off at least 2 seconds.
speedcuber50
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I've done most of that and I still can't get sub-20.
I use 2LOLL and 1LPLL (most cases). However, Cross + F2L takes me at least 15 seconds (usually 18).
What now?
I use 2LOLL and 1LPLL (most cases). However, Cross + F2L takes me at least 15 seconds (usually 18).
What now?
googlebleh
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Well there's your problem. How do you expect to get 2 sec LL with a 3-look system? I think with a 15 sec F2L it'll be a squeeze, but you might be able to sub-20 with it. Cross should be 3 seconds at the most (or 3.5 if it's a really hard one) so that should give you about 11 secs for F2L pairs. That should be pretty adequate, but ofc if you have your OCLLs and PLLs down then that gives you even more time for each pair.
Bottom line: Cross/F2L is where you should focus. The splits above are what I'd recommend, not necessarily what is the best for you.
kcl
Legend
Random question.. I'm done with Cross+F2l at around 11-13 seconds normally, and I average about 17. I know something like 20 OLLs. Should I learn the rest, or is it better to try and shave a second off F2l?
I find learning new algs and practicing on the f2l at the same time to be convenient
youtube some f2l tricks!
kcl
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I find learning new algs and practicing on the f2l at the same time to be convenient
I'm always practicing F2l, but it isn't super intense practice. I've been trying to speed up my LL since it takes like 8 seconds.. way too slow.
kcl
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Full oll is nice...however, i saw some guy on YT doing an ao5 with 4LLL at about 12 seconds
Wow.. I get slower times if I have to orient all 4 edges. If I screw up edge control then yeah..
I'm always practicing F2l, but it isn't super intense practice. I've been trying to speed up my LL since it takes like 8 seconds.. way too slow.
Yeah every solve is practice, but you should have sessions where you learn new f2l tricks/algs as well! There are some good ones on YT
Color neutral?
I just started a week ago, im white/yellow and pretty much blue. Just white/yellow probably lowered my average with a second
kcl
Legend
Yeah every solve is practice, but you should have sessions where you learn new f2l tricks/algs as well! There are some good ones on YT
Color neutral?
I just started a week ago, im white/yellow and pretty much blue. Just white/yellow probably lowered my average with a second
I use white, yellow if cross is like 1 move and will save me the time that will be wasted in F2l. Actually blue isn't that hard for me.. Idk why. It's easier then yellow lol
Smiles
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your LL isn't slow. you said 8 seconds but if your F2L is 11-13 and you average 17, then it's 4-6 seconds. other than learning algs (which you should do) it's really hard to "work on" LL other than drilling. but at that point if your F2L is worse proportionally to your LL, it'll take way more work to fix your F2L.
if your F2L is good you consider yourself blessed but don't stop working on it.
if your F2L is good you consider yourself blessed but don't stop working on it.
