Edge control vs. Full OLL

[footyfanatic01]

I average around 27 and am trying to get decent look ahead. I'm finding it very hard an have kind of lost interest.
For a faster way to improve, I was looking into learning full OLL. However, I was wondering if I could just use the OLL algs I already know (I know two-look OLL) and just learn a way to always get a cross on the top after F2L. I think this is called ZBLL or ZB method?
Anyway, I want to know whether learning Full OLL or learning edge control and just doing the OLLs I already know would be beneficial in the longer term. I'm not expecting to ever get sub 10, maybe sub 15 in a year or two.

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

if u want to learn zbll it is 472 algs

 

[Username: Username:]

if u want to learn zbll it is 472 algs

It's not ZBLL it's ZBLS, Zborowski-Bruchem Last Slot, which orients LL edges, alg number is more or less what it is on ZBLL.

 

[Kaneki Uchiha]

It's not ZBLL it's ZBLS, Zborowski-Bruchem Last Slot, which orients LL edges, alg number is more or less what it is on ZBLL.

ok

 

[Exotic Butters]

I average around 27 and am trying to get decent look ahead. I'm finding it very hard an have kind of lost interest.
For a faster way to improve, I was looking into learning full OLL. However, I was wondering if I could just use the OLL algs I already know (I know two-look OLL) and just learn a way to always get a cross on the top after F2L. I think this is called ZBLL or ZB method?
Anyway, I want to know whether learning Full OLL or learning edge control and just doing the OLLs I already know would be beneficial in the longer term. I'm not expecting to ever get sub 10, maybe sub 15 in a year or two.

What you are describing is called Full edge control, where you pair up the pieces and insert them with a special alg that orients LL edges. There is another set called ZBLS which involves using an algorithm to solve the pair and have the edges oriented (This has like 500 algs)

It's much better to just learn OLL as the algs for full edge control and ZBLS are very bad and long.

If you want an easy way to learn OLL, check this video out:

Good luck

 

[Sub1Hour]

If you can force cross on top you should since cross algs are generally much nicer than other cases but dont rely on it since its a lot faster to just do an I'll then to try and manipulate a dot case to a cross case during last slot

 

[footyfanatic01]

if u want to learn zbll it is 472 algs

Hi, I looked into it further yesterday and found out about VHLS. Is this any shorter? Apparently there are only about 20 algs.

 

[Username: Username:]

Hi, I looked into it further yesterday and found out about VHLS. Is this any shorter? Apparently there are only about 20 algs.

Don't learn VHLS, it's not worth it, just learn full OLL.

 

[Shaun Mack]

literally just learn oll pll unless ur trying to learn a cool method just for lols.

 

[tx789]

Learn OLL also dot cases aren't that bad but the algs listed on Jayden McNeill's site might not be that good for a beginner it requires so e fancy finger tricks.


Also at your speed working on f2l will help you a lot. Please ty of people delay learning full oll for ages till sub 15 but learning it earlier has benefits in the long run.

 

[brododragon]

Hi, I looked into it further yesterday and found out about VHLS. Is this any shorter? Apparently there are only about 20 algs.

That's WV.

 

[Cody_Caston]

That's WV.

No vhls is an alg set where after f2l, you’ll have a cross on top, WV is an alg set where if all the edges are oriented, you’ll skip oll

 

[Deleted member 52530]

Is there like inutive edge control?

 

[Cody_Caston]

Is there like inutive edge control?

Just do zz lol

 

[brododragon]

Is there like inutive edge control?

It's not that efficient, but yes. Just do petrus EO except preserve the cross and F2L pair.

 

[Cody_Caston]

It's not that efficient, but yes. Just do petrus EO except preserve the cross and F2L pair.

What about zz

 

[brododragon]

What about zz

I said Petrus because it's closer to F2L-1.

 

[Cody_Caston]

I said Petrus because it's closer to F2L-1.

True zz is less like f2l

 

[brododragon]

True zz is less like f2l

Yeah sometimes in Petrus you actually run into that where you have to do EO from F2L-1 because you skipped first pair.

EDIT: My keyboard doesn't know how to English.

 

[Mischiiii]

Learning full OLL isn’t as hard as it seems. I’m already 28 (guess thats above the average age) and it took me 1 month. I learned about 1-2 algs per day and after that i practiced about 30 minutes in jperms OLL Trainer.
Since most cubers learn OLL at one point i guess theres no way around it. A friend started learning edge control 1-2 months after finishing OLL. I think it’s not a good solution to rely on edge control alone.