Dayan Vs Verdes Petition

[Godmil]

You're confusing trademark dilution with patents.

Ah yes, you may be right. My mistake.

 

[HavoCentral]

I suggest that you take out the "Notable signatures" from the first post. It seems rather pointless.

*them

Thank you.

@Ethan,if you read the updated first post, like I asked, you will see that the point to show Verdes Innovation how much their actions have affected the cubing community and their possible future sales.

 

[Erzz]

It seems a lot of people are like "OMG I love guhong, how dare you take it away >: ("

 

[~Phoenix Death~]

It seems a lot of people are like "OMG I love guhong, how dare you take it away >: ("

Gee, I wonder why?

 

[Tim Major]

[youtube]aOIR6_HnMQo&feature=channel[/youtube]
Does anyone actually agree with this video? This has got to be one of the stupidest videos I have ever seen. Not only does he blame V-cubes, and say "they're destroying speedcubing", he also says the most bs things. 1:10: "they originally came to me, saying everything I sold is a KO, so, the Alpha 5, the Alpha 2 etc. is a KO, and infringes". That is absolute bull****. Spreading false info like this, to thousands of cubers (judging by the video views), can really damage a company. Whilst what V-cubes has done here may be wrong, (we don't necessarily know the full story) this is not the right response, that cube stores, and buyers should've given.
V-cubes should've;

1. Approached DaYan, not the smaller vendors who are in no way responsible for DaYan's apparent infringement (we are assuming that it has infringed on Verdes' patent here).
2. If they aren't responsive, which I guess may have happened already, then take further steps, ie: sue.

At this stage, they should approach cube stores, and the community alerting them of the situation.
Whilst the legal process is slow, if both companies are in disagreement, that is what should've happened. Think of it from both sides.

The patent has indeed been infringed by DaYan.

• The cubes should be removed from all stores, or else damage to V-cubes may/will occur.

The patent hasn't been infringed by DaYan.

• The cubes should stay at all stores, or else DaYan will lose sales, aka, money for future development.

So if either action is taken (leaving cubes on market or removing cubes from market), one company is hurt.
In conclusion, sure, maybe V-cubes has handled this a little badly, but I really don't think the option to "boycott" V-cubes on the petition, is all that needed.
I would like some more info on the matter, but I assume I won't be getting any for a while yet.

 

[y3k9]

[long quote]

I'd say more, but that "info" doesn't belong in this thread seeing as though this thread is purely for discussing the petition. Henceforth I will say that the petition is to show v-cube that their actions effect the community greatly. The rest is all over the thread, you can easily find more.

 

[Joël]

I think the petition could have been a little more elaborate, but I signed to show my support.

If enough ppl sign that could at least be a signal to V-cubes that they aren't making a good name for themselves in the community this way. But maybe that's they don't care much about that, idk.

 

[TimMc]

So I think if they continue with this, they will make the speedsolving community became more worse. But, if they continue like what you're saying... The speedsolving will become better.

I'd rather see patent owners being contacted and royalties being agreed upon and paid so that their design isn't stolen and resold instead of seeing flawed petitions being posted to promote illegal activities.

Do manufacturers have the resources to account for all the plastic that goes in and comes out when producing these puzzles? If not, will they be able to reliably pay royalties? Oh, I'm sorry. Sales were down this quarter... $_$

Should PayPal be giving into patent claims without going through court? If anything appeal to them for failing to provide a service just as they did with WikiLeaks. Why can't the affected sellers appeal the claim?

Is it better for PayPal to stop providing services to a company that's allegedly selling products that violate a complainant company's patent without proof? Can the company easily appeal it in court to have the decision changed and then claim damage from the complainant?

Tim.

 

[y3k9]

The petition is dying away. Get more people to sign it people! Even get your non-cuber friends to sign (as long as you tell what they're signing and why).

 

[Rpotts]

^^

Why, what good would it do to add people to the list who have no chance of buying V-cube/dayan products anyway?

 

[y3k9]

^^

Why, what good would it do to add people to the list who have no chance of buying V-cube/dayan products anyway?

The boycott idea might be hard for them, but on other petitions you'll see someone going out and getting signatures from random people. As long as they understand what they're signing and why.

 

[qqwref]

1:10: "they originally came to me, saying everything I sold is a KO, so, the Alpha 5, the Alpha 2 etc. is a KO, and infringes". That is absolute bull****. Spreading false info like this, to thousands of cubers (judging by the video views), can really damage a company.

Is it false? I don't know the situation; do you have evidence that this isn't what happened?

V-cubes should've;
1. Approached DaYan, not the smaller vendors who are in no way responsible for DaYan's apparent infringement (we are assuming that it has infringed on Verdes' patent here).
2. If they aren't responsive, which I guess may have happened already, then take further steps, ie: sue.

That would be nice, yes. Whatever gets done, I don't think it's appropriate to try to prevent people from selling a certain type of cube without a legal justification (such as a court ruling), especially when it is not clear to a non-lawyer observer that there is any infringement.

I'd rather see patent owners being contacted and royalties being agreed upon and paid so that their design isn't stolen and resold instead of seeing flawed petitions being posted to promote illegal activities.

1) Illegal activities? Do you mean you think the GuHong is illegal (a clear violation)?
2) I don't think random people in the community have the power to agree on royalties, especially when there isn't even any legal ruling yet. People are trying to do what they can.

Should PayPal be giving into patent claims without going through court? If anything appeal to them for failing to provide a service just as they did with WikiLeaks. Why can't the affected sellers appeal the claim?

Companies aren't people who will be won over by appeals to logic and niceness. I'm sure they are just going by their corporate rules, which prevent them from actually having to go to court in most situations, and that they'd be very reluctant to unblock someone without any evidence of innocence.

 

[musicninja17]

So i just ordered a V cube 5. And you know what? I'm happy about it. Even though i'm not happy that the GuHong has dissappeared for the time being. What does that tell us now?

 

[einstein00]

As many cubers know, Verdes Innovations S.A. has recently stated
that the Dayan Lingyun and Guhong cubes infringe on the copyrights granted
by the following patent as shown at the link:
http://v-cubes.com/pdf/European_patent.pdf

Verdes Innovations S.A. is known to take other cubes
off the market but not release their own.
This petition is to see if we can get Verdes Innovations S.A.'s
attention and show them how much this action has affected
the cubing community as a whole, in hopes that they will retract
their claim.

did anyone even notice this? Yes, the new writeup is much better, but still has many grammar and style errors.

 

[~Phoenix Death~]

did anyone even notice this? Yes, the new writeup is much better, but still has many grammar and style errors.

That's Einstein for you I guess.

 

[HavoCentral]

And the Petition closes with 702 signatures.