Dayan Vs Verdes Petition

[HavoCentral]

list of countries in which V-CUBE™ technology is not protected by patents

LOL

I would also like to note that despite new patent laws in China. Nothing has really changed.
WEird, how did the post get moved. I relpied to it before it was posted. That doesnt sound right. lol
Did anyone else notice it move. Or is it just me.
I may need to clear my cache.

@HavoCentral
That sounds much better than the current wording.

Would you sign this one?
Have anything to change or add?

 

[choza244]

This is my point of view of this situation and I just hope that the others respect my opinion.

From what I can see, the mechanism of the DaYan GuHong is different from the mechanisms of the V-cubes, is different from the V-cube 3 (that is in the patents) and is different from the other V-cubes (5, 6, and 7). I really don't know exactly why Verdes is claiming that was copied or why the GuHong is infringing their patents but from what I can see the design is very different.

I agree that a lot of people have not realized the effort of Verdes when he designed the V-cube mechanisms and that he paid a lot of money to patent his invention. But I also think that almost anyone have realized that the designer of the GuHong also had to work a lot designing the mechanism and making it work properly, so why anybody think that the designer of the GuHong also did a great effort to design a good mechanism? because from my point of view, even if the designer was inspired in the V-cube mech, it did a completelly new and different design, so for me it was not copied and I really think that the people can see that it was not copied.

What I do not agree is the way the V-cube company is doing this things, first if they think the GuHong is infringing their patents they have all the rights to fight, but for me it should have been like making a demand to the Dayan company (legally) and not trying to remove their products from the market before the legal veredict, like they are doing now.
Apart of that and like I said, for me that legal veredic would be that the design of the GuHong is not infringing the patents in any way so it could continue being selled, but that's just my opinion, and from my point of view is not coincidence that the V-cube company is trying to remove the GuHongs just before christmas, for me is just a dirty move, and is just an attempt to eradicate a good product that is selling well these days. (why they didn't do the same with the YJ products first?)

So that's why I do not agree with Verdes actions and that's why i decided that if they keep with this situation i will not buy any of their products anymore.

Thanks if you took the time to read this and sorry for my english

 

[einstein00]

As many cubers know, Verdes Innovations S.A. has recently stated
that the Dayan Lingyun and Guhong cubes infringe on the copyrights granted
by the following patent as shown at the link:
http://v-cubes.com/pdf/European_patent.pdf

Verdes Innovations S.A. is known to take other cubes
off the market but not release their own.
This petition is to see if we can get Verdes Innovations S.A.'s
attention and show them how much this action has affected
the cubing community as a whole, in hopes that they will retract
their claim.

 

[Fire Cuber]

The fact that their inventions have provided more challenges for the twisty puzzle community, have enabled faster world records to be set, and they continually provide V-CUBE products as prizes for WCA competitions should be some indication that they support the speedcubing community.

The same can be said about Dayan.

Tim.

Sorry for a late reply.

Don't you forget about pulling maru and this one? This makes the speedsolving community become worse because, there were no good cubes. But yeah, what you're saying is completely right. So I think if they continue with this, they will make the speedsolving community became more worse. But, if they continue like what you're saying... The speedsolving will become better.

Long and useless things

The perfect answer for this is : so what? And also, it is wasting space, people have to scroll down to read posts that are not useless like that.

 

[Stefan]

As many cubers know, Verdes Innovations S.A. has recently stated
that the Dayan Lingyun and Guhong cubes infringe on the copyrights granted
by the following patent as shown at the link:
http://v-cubes.com/pdf/European_patent.pdf

Verdes Innovations S.A. is known to take other cubes
off the market but not release their own.
This petition is to see if we can get Verdes Innovations S.A.'s
attention and show them how much this action has affected
the cubing community as a whole, in hopes that they will retract
their claim.

What do you call a petition that doesn't request anything?

 

[cmhardw]

Please move any continued discussion about the V-cube and GuHong debate to the original thread. An explanation of why is provided in this post.

Further posts in this thread should be related to the petition specifically.

 

[qqwref]

We can go back and forth about who is right and who is wrong, but I agree with Chris that this thread is about the petition, and if you have negative opinions, keep them to yourselves. Out of the hundreds of people who had viewed this thread and the petition, only a handful have complained.

If 99% of people don't notice an error, does that mean the other 1% was wrong to see it?

From eBay's point of view, DaYan is guilty until proven innocent.

I don't think it's that, as much as that eBay has very little to lose from shutting some auctions down, but very much to lose from refusing to. YouTube is exactly the same way - if a big label claims a video is infringing, whether there is evidence or not, it is in YouTube's best interest to shut down the video, because the penalties could be severe (going to court, and possibly a settlement) if they don't.

 

[Igora]

list of countries in which V-CUBE™ technology is not protected by patents

and how many of those countries have no copyright laws at all?

 

[Whyusosrs?]

Not everything in china is made in sweatshops.I would consider that stereotyping and racism.

That's cool that China is now a race.

And yes, it costs a lot, I realize that. But with the price they charge for their products, I am sure they can afford it.

Dude, I didn't know you were Verdes's accountant :O

If I were V-Cube, Instead of releasing a puzzle in January, I would have released it a week or two ago. I Would expect more sales, considering it is the holiday season.

Because V-cube is completely dumb and doesn't know when to release their products. I'm sure if they could have released cubes in early december, they would have, but clearly they don't have the money or they don't have the ability to make those cubes at the moment. Sorry for any inconvenience to you.

and if you have negative opinions, keep them to yourselves.

I'll make sure to tell that to the rest of the world. I'm sure Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, and even America would be more then happy to oblige.

You (Dene) have not contributed anything to this conversation but hateful and flaming remarks towards me.

Which I think are well deserved

being nipped in the butt

The saying is "nipped in the bud."

I can't see how you can offer up a petition to tell V-cubes to allow Guhongs when you yourself support cubes that DO blatantly violate Verdes's patent. It would seem that you not only want them to allow Guhongs to be manufactured but also want them to not take any sort of action against any other cubes that violate their patents.

 

[~Phoenix Death~]

Signed it. Twice

 

[Inf3rn0]

Signed it. Twice

Thats not how petitions work.

 

[Bryan]

A lot of people are confused why Verdes would try to protect their 3x3 design when they're not (currently) in the 3x3 market. The answer is simple and hasn't been mentioned on the forums yet. If Verdes doesn't take steps to protect their patent (which covers 2x2 to 11x11) then it weakens it. Letting any patent violation pass un challenged will make any future claims harder to justify in court. So if they feel their patent is being violated (even if some people don't agree with it) they HAVE to take action in order to protect the patent - and essentially their whole business.

You're confusing trademark dilution with patents. Since patent infringement is a much more difficult thing to prove than trademark infringement, a company is not required to investigate every possible infringement case to keep their patent.

As many cubers know, Verdes Innovations S.A. has recently stated 
that the Dayan Lingyun and Guhong cubes infringe on the copyrights granted 
by the following patent as shown at the link: 
[url]http://v-cubes.com/pdf/European_patent.pdf[/url]

Verdes Innovations S.A. has been known to take cubes
off the market, yet not releasing their own.
This petition is to see if we can get Verdes Innovations S.A.'s
attention and show thim how much this action has affected
the cubing community as a whole, in hopes they will retract
their claim.

You're confusing copyrights with patents.

 

[~Phoenix Death~]

Thats not how petitions work.

Thrice.

 

[HavoCentral]

You're confusing trademark dilution with patents. Since patent infringement is a much more difficult thing to prove than trademark infringement, a company is not required to investigate every possible infringement case to keep their patent.

You're confusing copyrights with patents.

Sorry, Didn't write the original version, just changed the link from google to verdes site.

Thrice.

LOLOLOLOL

 

[cuberkid10]

I signed yesterday.. #420.

 

[y3k9]

When this petition reaches over 1000 we need to send a link to verdes. I hope they/he realize(s) how much of an impact his/their actions have on the community.

 

[HavoCentral]

Slightly over half way there, and with how far it has spread, Im sure they have either seen it, or heard about it.


If this petition ends up doing what it is supposed to, It will show how powerful the cubing community is.

 

[HavoCentral]

Updated first post, Please read.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

I think that you are strongly over estimating the power online petitions have in the courtroom.

 

[Sa967St]

I suggest that you take out the "Notable signatures" from the first post. It seems rather pointless.

Verdes Innovations S.A. has been known to take cubes
off the market, yet not releasing their own.
This petition is to see if we can get Verdes Innovations S.A.'s
attention and show thim how much this action has affected
the cubing community as a whole, in hopes they will retract
their claim.

*them