Dayan 5 ZhanChi testing product prototype version

[r_517]

i got the leaflet for the packet today too, but when i went to the post office to collect my lovely cube the postman said he couldn't found it and asked me to go there again tomorrow

 

[Bapao]

Did you punch him in the face?

 

[Zyrb]

got mine today, cant wait to open it

 

[linkin182]

got mine today, cant wait to open it

can you do a review?

im dying to see one!

 

[Pixel 6]

I'll buy someone's... Anyone game?

 

[Godmil]

I'll buy someone's... Anyone game?

If you start doing Ultimate ZhanChi's I'll buy one from you

 

[gasmus]

I got the last 2 black ones, sorry but might be up for selling one if you're interested.

The best way I can describe this cube is an exact cross between a GuHong and a Lingyun. Which makes it somewhere between the LingYun(which I hate) and the GuHong in terms of performance.

So far I've done ~500 solves and first impressions of the cube are pretty good. It turns fast like the GuHong, has rounded edges(GuHong feels very sharp), its very accurate, and it NEVER pops. Absolutely 100% never ever ever. I even set it to an extremely loose tension and still just couldnt get it to pop.

Overall, there isnt really much wrong with this cube, I just dont like it as much as the GuHong, even the crappy newer ones. But if you really like the LingYun and want one which doesnt pop, turns much faster and doesnt feel so heavy then this is probably the cube for you.

I just really wish that Dayan would change the GuHongs back to how they were when they first came out... then all this fishing for new cubes would be completely unnecessary.

 

[cycle]

Overall, there isnt really much wrong with this cube, I just dont like it as much as the GuHong, even the crappy newer ones.

then why do u hate it so much?
and what's wrong with new guhongs?

 

[Godmil]

then why do u hate it so much?

Where did he say he hates it?

 

[cycle]

Where did he say he hates it?

not directly...but:

I just dont like it as much as the GuHong, even the crappy newer ones.
I just really wish that Dayan would change the GuHongs back to how they were when they first came out... then all this fishing for new cubes would be completely unnecessary.

sounds like it for me.

 

[Godmil]

Ah yes, I guess if he said it's not as good as something that's 'crappy' then I can see where you're coming from. But reading the whole thing it sounds like it's a really good cube, but just not quite as good as the Guhong.

 

[gasmus]

then why do u hate it so much?
and what's wrong with new guhongs?

By reading the whole thing its quite obvious I dont hate this cube... you dont have to exploit every minor error I make.

But I should clarify, by 'crappy newer ones' I mean the new GuHongs with the harder plastic are nowhere near as good as the original ones. But they can still be good cubes. I believe the original ones had softer plastic? Whatever the difference is the older ones are definitely better.

 

[daniel0731ex]

Apparently the POM version GuHong needs more care and different lubrication method than the regular ABS one because of the hardness. (the harder the plastic, the more apparent a molding imperfection would be) But really, POM is the ideal material for cubes because of the wear-resistant self-lubricating properties. It's just that most speedcubers have been using the wrong lubricant all this time, damaging the plastic material with organic solvents.

 

[cycle]

By reading the whole thing its quite obvious I dont hate this cube... you dont have to exploit every minor error I make.

But I should clarify, by 'crappy newer ones' I mean the new GuHongs with the harder plastic are nowhere near as good as the original ones. But they can still be good cubes. I believe the original ones had softer plastic? Whatever the difference is the older ones are definitely better.

but nothing u said about the zhan chi was negative. and then u say it's worse than a crappy guhong. why do u favor the guhong?

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

and it NEVER pops. Absolutely 100% never ever ever. I even set it to an extremely loose tension and still just couldnt get it to pop.

Quite definitely no pops, even if you're rough with it? That's what bugged me most about the GuHong, it just isn't stable enough. If reviews agree with this (ie. you didn't just get lucky), then I'll probably get one or two.

 

[gasmus]

I just told you why I used the word 'crappy'...

I favor the GuHong(original) because it feels light, turns fast, doesnt pop, doesn't lockup but most of all doesn't lag. The new ones lag like crazy. I guess the softer plastic becomes much smoother with a little breaking in which the new one doesn't. I've spent a lot of time on the newer ones but have never come across one I like. ALL of my original GuHongs were amazing. Close to the perfect cube, at least for me. Also, in my experience the newer ones wore out just as fast if not faster than the older ones... so really the harder plastic is pretty pointless.

EDIT: and yeah Matthew definitely no pops so far, and I was pretty rough with it. If the final version isnt much different you'll see what i mean

 

[daniel0731ex]

I just told you why I used the word 'crappy'...

I favor the GuHong(original) because it feels light, turns fast, doesnt pop, doesn't lockup but most of all doesn't lag. The new ones lag like crazy. I guess the softer plastic becomes much smoother with a little breaking in which the new one doesn't. I've spent a lot of time on the newer ones but have never come across one I like. ALL of my original GuHongs were amazing. Close to the perfect cube, at least for me. Also, in my experience the newer ones wore out just as fast if not faster than the older ones... so really the harder plastic is pretty pointless.

EDIT: and yeah Matthew definitely no pops so far, and I was pretty rough with it. If the final version isnt much different you'll see what i mean

Yeah the POM ones really needs different treatment than the softer ABS ones. Any sharp angles on the pieces will cause roughness and lockups with POM because of the hardness, so basically you need to sand down any of the imperfections you could find.

 

[gasmus]

Yes but its the hardness itself which causes this 'lag' or what I call lag. No matter what I do to the cube its still no match for the older ABS version (Btw, the softer plastic is what I also liked about the type F(1)). And actually everyone I know who has the older ABS version like it far more than the newer one. I wish that if they were going to change the cube they would just sell the new type in addition to rather than instead of the older ABS ones.

 

[daniel0731ex]

Yes but its the hardness itself which causes this 'lag' or what I call lag. No matter what I do to the cube its still no match for the ABS version (Btw, the softer plastic is what I also liked about the type F(1)). And actually everyone I know who has the older ABS version like it far more than the newer one. I wish that if they were going to change the cube they would just sell the new type in addition to rather than instead of the ABS ones.

Specifically what is this lag you were talking about? If you mean "mushy" turning, it shouldn't happen unless you used "aggressive" lubricants like CRC or JigALoo. POM have low coefficients of friction in comparison with ABS, so you should use less lube on it. (not to mention that silicone sprays should not be used)

And please refer the two cubes as "POM" and "ABS" versions, neither one is a replacement for the other, the ABS Guhong is readily available on many stores like Lightake.

 

[Sin-H]

stop trying to explain it with facts. ABS was soft and smooth, and perfect, POM is hard as hell. It has less resistance, yes, but it's really "crappy". It doesn't feel anywhere as smooth as the old ones used to. And I know exactly what Breandan means by "lag", but I can't explain it either.

Plus, I don't even think Breandan means the POM version, just the ABS version which was produced after like September.

It's like "old type a" - there's a huge difference between 2007 type a, 2008 type a and 2009 type a.