Corner Cutting Help

That thing about corner-cutting

Some people keeps on talking about how awesome their GuHong cube cut corners, and then a bunch of people starts saying stuffs like "oh yeah WHO CARES ABOUT CORNER-CUTTING??" or "ohhhh dood seriously like wtf just improorvee yeerr accuracy like WHO NEEDS 3 DEGREES CORNER-CUTTING??".

You maybe right, that crazy corner-cutting angles isn't really practical for actual speedsolving, but it doesn't mean that it does not contribute to anything at all. The max corner-cutting angle is just simply an index to see its overall tolerance. That means that a cube that can cut at wider angles will require less effort to glide over a minor misallignment than one that have a smaller max cutting angle in comparison.

In addition to the fault tolerance, it also allows the cuber to actually "cut corners" (as in, taking a shortcut) during a series of moves. This helps the cuber to complete an algorithum more efficiently with less time, and make the flow between steps a lot smoother. THIS is actually what corner-cutting was meant for originally. Some of you might have never noticed it before, but usually when you execute an algorithum, in most cases you would utillize the tolerance of the cube to cut corners between moves. That's why it takes time to get used to different cubes, because each cube have different index of tolerance depending on the tension setting and other factors.



I hope this could end some of the debate about corner-cutting and why we needs them. Please post a reply regarding whether you agree with me or not.

(PS: Please don't laugh at my poor writing skills/structure, I know that most of you on the forum here is a lot better than me :))

-Daniel
 
I completely agree and don't see why so many people keep putting down corner cutting. Being able to cut 45 degree angles means you're going to be able to cute the angles that you need easier. I don't know why that's so hard to understand. Maybe they're just fanboys of their chosen cube, who knows.
 
Good point. But imo, after REASONABLE corner cutting that a cube has (meaning it can cut 25+ degrees [which is good enough for me, cept my FII can cut close to 40]) then if it can cut that amount, then REVERSE corner cutting is what's important. It reduces lock ups, pops, and makes OH (atleast for me) alot smoother.
You might not have understood me, but to wrap up:
25+ degrees corner cutting is good enough for me, but my main can cut about 38+ degrees lol
It should be able to reverse cut atleast a little bit (my FII can reverse cut about a third of a piece with a little force, but I think a quarter of a piece would be good enough)
As long as it can do that, the cube is reasonable, atleast for corner cutting.
 
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Personally I do like my corner cutting.

I would like to force upon anyone that says that "corner cutting isn't that important etc. etc. bla bla bla" a cube that doesn't cut corners and see how they do. I bet no one has the balls to actually front up and do it though. Empty words....
 
Wow, did this honestly need another topic? Just post this stuff in one of the ones that's already active.

Seriously, though, as long as you have acceptable corner cutting, other aspects of the cube are much more important. Things like how smooth or how fast it is or the weight are more important than getting that extra few degrees of corner cutting.
 
i think why people are so shocked is because of many people who have had really bad storebought and the improvement in DIY over the years. the 'troll' people are right, the cube does not solve the simple fact that the puzzle is difficult to solve fast, no matter what corner cutting ability it has. but we all have to admit that cubes have gotten a lot better in past couple years. vcubes vs rubiks 555, maru vs eastsheen 444... the difference is very large. i really hope that this 'OMG!!1one MY GU*insert godly corner cutting*HONG CAN CUT *insert 90xn degrees*!!one11!!!one' will end shortly because its annoying. and anyone that makes this joke is annoying.
 
There's definitely a difference between a cube that can cut 45 deg cutting at 25 deg then a cube that can cut 25 deg cutting at 25 deg.

The second one is already on max tolerance, which means it's harder to cut that small angle whereas the first one easily cuts that angle. If 25 deg is really enough, then everyone should just pull out their storeboughts (mine cuts at around 30 deg). But the fact is, cutting at max cut is impractical. There is a HUGE difference between, say a GuHong and a storebought (granted it's smooth and such).
 
cyoubx said:
There's definitely a difference between a cube that can cut 45 deg cutting at 25 deg then a cube that can cut 25 deg cutting at 25 deg.

The second one is already on max tolerance, which means it's harder to cut that small angle whereas the first one easily cuts that angle. If 25 deg is really enough, then everyone should just pull out their storeboughts (mine cuts at around 30 deg). But the fact is, cutting at max cut is impractical. There is a HUGE difference between, say a GuHong and a storebought (granted it's smooth and such).
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Eh, I guess my turning is accurate. But my storebought sucked (couldn't cut 10 degrees for dear life), even before the core broke. What I need is reverse cutting, after I get my 25+ degrees of normal cutting.

But ofcourse, it depends on your cubing style.
 
Dene said:
Personally I do like my corner cutting.

I would like to force upon anyone that says that "corner cutting isn't that important etc. etc. bla bla bla" a cube that doesn't cut corners and see how they do. I bet no one has the balls to actually front up and do it though. Empty words....
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Not important doesn't mean not needed.
 
I don't recall anyone saying corner cutting isn't important; they said cutting outrageous angles isn't important. They never said it wasn't helpful, just that 25 or whatever gets the job done.
 
i like corner cutting, but only if its easy. My f2 and A5 can cut smaller angles than a guhong but with little effort (especially my f2). My guhong on the other hand can reverse corner cut and cut bigger angles (not always bigger but at least the same amount if not more) but the effort it takes to cut is not worth it. It is to a point where its a better idea to properly align it. I have played with the tension, but this cube pops like crazy unless it on a medium-tight to tight tension. I hate cubes that pop ever since I got my A5 and F2 and both have never popped on me at the factory tension or in my A5's case after I properly tension it, but they are both crazy fast with the prelube for the F2 and jigaloo for the A5 which I bought as a DIY kit. I also have a slick cube which can't cut corners but is also very fast and I would choose it over the guhong anyday. Guhong is wayyyyyy to slow for me.
 
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Whyusosrs? said:
Do sexy move and pay attention to what you are doing. You don't wait until your right turn is exactly alined before doing U, do you? You put pressure on that up layer with your right index finger so it utilizes its corner cutting to turn that up layer into position just that few fractions of a second quicker.
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Nope.avi
I am really accurate while sexy moving.
At the moment, I am testing your hypothesis on a cube that, when left unmodded, cannot cut corners. A Rubik's 3x3.
However, this one is modded and cuts a decent 9.3 degrees (by photomeasurement). It's quite smooth.
People who have met me know that I am a terribly rough cuber--my turning style is crazy unstable, and that is why I preferred a type A-II for a long while.
When I do the sexy move on this cube, there are no lockups. I'm not BSing you. I'll make a video of it, too, mangs.
 
All I know is I used to use type Cs. They locked up a lot.
I now use GuHongs. They don't.
That saves me time and makes me happy.
 
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