Color Neutral - What color do you start with?

[amostay2004]

Being color neutral only saves you one move in your cross on average, IIRC, maybe two. If you had infinite amount of time to practice, you'd obviously want to be color neutral, but with the finite amount we humans are capable of I personally don't think the effort to become color neutral is worth the small advantage it gets you.

Edit: Other methods it is probably more useful to be at least partial color neutral. I was basically neutral back when I used Roux as my main method and the easier blocks came in VERY handy.

People say colour neutral saves you 1-2 moves on average. Yes, it's true, at home. But when you get to a competition, you might get a very bad cross on your fixed colour compared to a 2 move cross on another colour, and the easy cross would probably give you better lookahead as well if you were colour neutral. This might save you a whole second or more, and in a competition average of 5 format, 1 second can mean a lot.

Take for example, if Faz were to solve with only green cross in the 8.52 average, I'm sure it would've not been this fast, probably a 9 or so.

Just my 2 cents

 

[maggotcuber]

thats why when i first learned how to solve i just solved on what ever side had the most good pieces, so to make it less practice it is better to just start color neutrality when learning a new method

i thank dan brown for that! and its easier to b taught color neutrality when u first start out rather than when ur averaging sub 20

 

[dabmasta]

I used to be colour neutral when i started with db. Then I started f2l so I was limited to dual colours. Now Im on one colour. Really a shame.

 

[vgbjason]

thats why when i first learned how to solve i just solved on what ever side had the most good pieces, so to make it less practice it is better to just start color neutrality when learning a new method

i thank dan brown for that! and its easier to b taught color neutrality when u first start out rather than when ur averaging sub 20

I kinda regret not listening to that advice, it was one of the useful things dan brown has said.
Not like that vasaline stuff or "there's no shortcut to getting the second layer."

 

[Dene]

thats why when i first learned how to solve i just solved on what ever side had the most good pieces, so to make it less practice it is better to just start color neutrality when learning a new method

i thank dan brown for that! and its easier to b taught color neutrality when u first start out rather than when ur averaging sub 20

yea ban brown is da best! i lerned sooo much from him. thanx 2 him i can b color nuetral 2!

 

[Samania]

LOLIMBINEUTRAL!

 

[Cool Frog]

I have been trying to be color neutral, I notice that i am starting to get allot better times with all the colors but when I have a good cross on my original color (white or black) I am usually 5 seconds faster ( sometimes slower though)

 

[lilkdub503]

While this is a good thread, I think this thread was made already. BTW, I try to do dual color, but I only end up doing yellow every 100 solves or so.

 

[Hadley4000]

Being color neutral only saves you one move in your cross on average, IIRC, maybe two. If you had infinite amount of time to practice, you'd obviously want to be color neutral, but with the finite amount we humans are capable of I personally don't think the effort to become color neutral is worth the small advantage it gets you.

Edit: Other methods it is probably more useful to be at least partial color neutral. I was basically neutral back when I used Roux as my main method and the easier blocks came in VERY handy.

People say colour neutral saves you 1-2 moves on average. Yes, it's true, at home. But when you get to a competition, you might get a very bad cross on your fixed colour compared to a 2 move cross on another colour, and the easy cross would probably give you better lookahead as well if you were colour neutral. This might save you a whole second or more, and in a competition average of 5 format, 1 second can mean a lot.

Take for example, if Faz were to solve with only green cross in the 8.52 average, I'm sure it would've not been this fast, probably a 9 or so.

Just my 2 cents

Exactly. At Lexington, one of my solves did have a 2 move cross(Forgot which solve, and color, but I know it wasn't a white cross.)

Also, say you get a 2x2x1 block built, easy x-cross, but the colors of the block are yellow/red/blue. If you solve exclusively on white, then that block would go to waste.

 

[Roe Rohan cubin]

Color Neutrality - discussion and questions - continued from previous

Thanks guys for the tips and sorry for my bad english. Dene - if you view this, i'm sorry for my english coz i dont actually lyk typing too many words you know. if you speak to me, i can speak decent english, and i read a lot of books to make it better. and You should know, indians' native language isn't englsh.

To come to the point. Guys who have viewed my previous thread, i think i am gonna start trying to be color neutral, just for havin an experience...
then i'll get more focussed towards neutrality as i get sub 10. Any other tips that can help me get sub 10 shall be warmly welcomed. hope this kind of english is ok...

 

[Roe Rohan cubin]

and if u view CriticalCubing i am a male guy... well thx for ur help by the way

 

[Dene]

The main problem is your deliberate laziness, with things like "probs" and "coz" and "lyk". You obviously know how to spell those words properly and in full, and it's horrible to read. Put in the effort if you want people to put effort into helping you.

 

[MarcelP]

I voted Completely CN in the poll. When I was averaging 30 secs I made the switch to CN. I did this not to get faster but because I did find it a lot of fun. It took me 3 months to achieve sub 30 full CN. Right now I average 23 seconds CN. I practice CN all but white crosses. And when I do competition or timed solves, I first look for obvious white cross. I think since I started out as white cross solver I still would be fastest in reconizing white crosses. When I find no obvious white cross then I scan the cube for the other colors. And because I practice all but white, I have developped quite a good recognition on finding easy crosses. My cross + 1 is around 6 to 6.5 these days. If I would never have switched to CN I might have been faster today. But I find solving CN fun.

 

[brian724080]

i'm sorry for my english coz i dont actually lyk typing too many words you know. if you speak to me, i can speak decent english, and i read a lot of books to make it better. and You should know, indians' native language isn't englsh.

I'm only going to try to become y-axis color neutral (I use ZZ).

Just to point out, you're not typing more words if you type correctly, but I honestly don't care.

 

[Datak]

what color do you start your cross on?

Its best to start color neutral. I was origonally a white and yellow side solver before but it took me almost 4, mabye even 5 months to get fully neutral on all 6 sides. If you want to be color neutral, the way to do it is to solve only one color every 3 weeks. What im saying is that say you want to also be able to solve on the red side. Only solve on red for about 3 weeks and then you will be really comfortable. You have to not solve on white or yellow for the whole entire process. Only solve on the other colors. Solve on blue for the first 3 weeks, then red for 3 weeks, then orange for 3 weeks then green for 3 weeks. Leave the last 6 weeks for white and yellow. Do this and you will become color neutral.

 

[Imago]

well, i was 2 color solver before Yellow and White

after four years of no cubing at all i went back this january ago. what i did is.. i practice solving cross+F2L on all colors..

My process is like this

scramble > solve on white cross + F2L > Scramble
scramble > solve on yellow cross + F2L > Scramble
scramble > solve on Orange cross + F2L > Scramble
scramble > solve on green cross + F2L > Scramble
scramble > solve on blue cross + F2L > Scramble
scramble > solve on red cross + F2L > Scramble

after repeatedly doing this for 2months

my F2L recognition for all colors improve
my cross did improve

I do my cross + F2L = 10sec 14 if bad solve

though i know some PLL and OLL i dont use them nor solve the cube full because i aimed to do F2L in less than 10sec

avg 15sec now sometimes 20sec if bad solve.

 

[Renslay]

I am [y2,x2] color neutral: white/yellow on left and red/orange on bottom.

 

[guysensei1]

I just solve on whatever color has most cross pieces done. Or whichever color is the easiest.

To non color neutral people: If you saw that there was a one move Xcross on a color you don't solve with, would you go for it? XXcross?

 

[TDM]

To non color neutral people: If you saw that there was a one move Xcross on a color you don't solve with, would you go for it? XXcross?

I wouldn't usually see it, but if I did I would. I'd also try to see pairs in inspection more than I would usually do just because I can't lookahead.

 

[brian724080]

To non color neutral people: If you saw that there was a one move Xcross on a color you don't solve with, would you go for it? XXcross?

Yes, I'd just look for my next two pairs then.