when should you learn to be dual color neutral

[L4NC3_D4_AS14N]

should you learn dual color neutral as soon as possible or is it not worth learning. also if there is a thread Abt this, my apologies caus I haven't seen a thread Abt this topic. (I average around 15-20 seconds so I want to know if its worth learning)

 

[Cubinginatree]

Solving on white an yellow is basically the same, it’s easier than you think and 100% worth it.

 

[CubeLite]

should you learn dual color neutral as soon as possible or is it not worth learning. also if there is a thread Abt this, my apologies caus I haven't seen a thread Abt this topic. (I average around 15-20 seconds so I want to know if its worth learning)

You SHOULD learn dual CN as soon as possible, it's really easy, and it doesn't make you inspect much longer

 

[SpeedCubingLord]

Is it also called that? I thought that the "generally accepted" term was duo neutral. Also yeah I'll be duo neutral now!

 

[Hazel]

For any kind of color neutrality, if you intend to switch, it should be done as soon as possible.
For anybody who averages ~30 seconds or more, I would heavily advise them to switch to full CN right away. When I was teaching a close friend CFOP, she resisted color neutrality at first, but later thanked me for making her stick with it.
If you're already fast, though, switching just isn't worth the effort. For example, I average about 10 seconds—if I want to get faster, I could definitely work hard on switching to full color neutrality, but it would be a much better use of time to practice things like cross+1 planning, or improving F2L efficiency.

For just dual-color-neutral, though, I'd say that unless you're already like sub–12 with single-color, it's worth it to switch.

 

[Isaiah Scott]

I think (as someone who naturally became color neutral around a 20-25 second average), that it isn’t necessary to become good. One of my friends, Dominic Redisi, has a 5.86 official average using just white cross. You can get very far with just white cross and while being CN will help, it’s not necessary to get good.

 

[stoic]

Dual CN is pretty straightforward, it’s WAY easier than full CN.

Get it done.

 

[gsingh]

I think (as someone who naturally became color neutral around a 20-25 second average), that it isn’t necessary to become good. One of my friends, Dominic Redisi, has a 5.86 official average using just white cross. You can get very far with just white cross and while being CN will help, it’s not necessary to get good.

Although it’s true that it isn’t necessary, dual CN is fairly easy to master, and it’s definitely something that helps a lot. IMO it’s a good idea to get it done sooner rather than later.

 

[L4NC3_D4_AS14N]

update: just learned dual color neutral. I only use it when necessary like when I don't really see a great white cross but I see a easy yellow cross. super useful when you cant get a good white cross

 

[Sub20Soon]

update: just learned dual color neutral. I only use it when necessary like when I don't really see a great white cross but I see a easy yellow cross. super useful when you cant get a good white cross

what do you average ?

 

[L4NC3_D4_AS14N]

what do you average ?

15-20

 

[kubesolver]

Not really answering the OP. But my story is that I started with full CN and was fully color neutral until I started going to the comps and I have realized that on bad scrambles I fail to find any cross under 15s.

I would look around for "good color" and by the 8th second realize I can't find any and then often have to start solving before I even find all the cross pieces.

So averaging a little over 15s I went back to dual color neutral and are much more consistent with it. (I still go for other colors if it's something like 3 to the cross done already. )

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

learn dual CN asap

 

[qwr]

Dual CN is almost as easy as white only because you're mentally filtering on the same edge colors, only the edge pieces are reversed in order.

Not really answering the OP. But my story is that I started with full CN and was fully color neutral until I started going to the comps and I have realized that on bad scrambles I fail to find any cross under 15s.

I would look around for "good color" and by the 8th second realize I can't find any and then often have to start solving before I even find all the cross pieces.

So averaging a little over 15s I went back to dual color neutral and are much more consistent with it. (I still go for other colors if it's something like 3 to the cross done already. )

I think I saw jayden McNeill or someone say dual CN forces you to be very good at cross. But after F2L it's moot.

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

update: just learned dual color neutral. I only use it when necessary like when I don't really see a great white cross but I see a easy yellow cross. super useful when you cant get a good white cross

Sorry, but then you're not dual color neutral yet. Neutral means no (intentional) bias in color choice and no (significant) color-based speed difference, and you clearly have a bias left.

By the way, becoming CN/DCN is more about making the decision that from now on you start choosing the best cross out of white/yellow/possibly others than about learning anything. Just make that decision now, and considering you average between 15 and 20, I think you will probably be completely DCN in a week or two, or CN in a few more, depending on which one you choose and of course on how much and how seriously you practice.

 

[Kami]

Is it also called that? I thought that the "generally accepted" term was duo neutral. Also yeah I'll be duo neutral now!

yeah no the normal term is dual color neutral

 

[1x1 wr holder!]

while im perfectly comfortable with being dual neutral, i extremely prefer white cuz im like that. and gonna be honest, being good at one color makes you really good at cross. i only try to look for a yellow if like i know the white is gonna be a 6 mover, so that why i like knowing yellow. it does eat up time switching color during inspection. id say def get a start with dual cn, but don't let it hurt your cross skills.

 

[L4NC3_D4_AS14N]

Sorry, but then you're not dual color neutral yet. Neutral means no (intentional) bias in color choice and no (significant) color-based speed difference, and you clearly have a bias left.

By the way, becoming CN/DCN is more about making the decision that from now on you start choosing the best cross out of white/yellow/possibly others than about learning anything. Just make that decision now, and considering you average between 15 and 20, I think you will probably be completely DCN in a week or two, or CN in a few more, depending on which one you choose and of course on how much and how seriously you practice.

do u recommend practicing only on yellow cross for a week?

 

[1x1 wr holder!]

do u recommend practicing only on yellow cross for a week?

if that's how long it takes you yeah. just main it for a while until you start averaging as you do white and then start doing both.

 

[Fred]

Sorry, but then you're not dual color neutral yet. Neutral means no (intentional) bias in color choice and no (significant) color-based speed difference, and you clearly have a bias left.

By the way, becoming CN/DCN is more about making the decision that from now on you start choosing the best cross out of white/yellow/possibly others than about learning anything. Just make that decision now, and considering you average between 15 and 20, I think you will probably be completely DCN in a week or two, or CN in a few more, depending on which one you choose and of course on how much and how seriously you practice.

How do you recommend going about full CN? I got to within a couple seconds on non W/Y after well over 2000 3x3 solves (21s vs 19s). Also a lot of big cube solves and I was pretty confident with full CN on big cubes. That's until I recently started trying to use EO recognition during F2L, which I'm much better at on W/Y, so I think I need to do separate B/G solves and R/O solves getting used to each of their EOs.

This thread has a lot of CN discussion, and seems like for a lot of cubers, full CN takes more than a few weeks For Chris Hardwick, it took 4+ years.