Clean WCA by deleting all blindfold results & records!

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Daniel, how about solving under the table? Is that a bad idea? At least that way we don't make some poor volunteer hold something to block our sight for an hour or more. It doesn't seem like a perfect solution, but might it be a reasonable partial solution? Or do the problems with it outweigh the benefits?

I like solving under a table - I do it often when doing "blindfold" solves at restaurants. I must admit, though, that it looks rather silly when I slam it on the table triumphantly with a big grin, and then realize I DNF'ed badly. :)
 
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LoL, that's great Mike. A problem (but then again, we'll be going to any lengths to remain legit), is that I would prefer to stand. I feel more alert standing. Focused, and not relaxed. Good for such a mentally stressful event.
 
How about a tall table? :)

Actually, that would be better anyway for spectators - they could more easily see under a taller table.

By the way, for 3x3x3, I very much prefer to stand. I'm ambivalent about 4x4x4 and 5x5x5; since I do most of my solves at home for them sitting, it might be better to sit, but I do tend to be more focused and perform better when standing, so it might be better that way.

I look forward to seeing you again at Chattahoochee.
 
OK, for some people I understand deleting all bld results from the past is a step too far, especially for those who do not compete very much or anymore. But maybe we could preserve those past results and not mix them with the new-style results. Would this be a reasonable alternative?

He kept lying to us even after the WCA gave him an honest opportunity to confess, and even after he had seen the first reconstructions. And then the investigation also took a lot of time and energy from a lot of people, and put us in a quite awkward position. It's quite obvious that he doesn't respect the community, so it's *not* unfair if the community doesn't respect him anymore.

And this is not a school test, where you cheat so you don't fail. This is at the highest level of worldwide cubing, there's a lot of respect and also money involved. Matyas stole what other people deserved.

C'mon, Stefan, he's just a kid. Do really think he all realized what you just said? We're the adults that created the WCA rules, we should know better, at least make better bld rules. I agree we should make clear to him we are not happy with his cheating, a temporary ban is an option but let's not crucify him!

I don't care. The community is more important than him.
I do not agree! Being a community should not be more important than someone's life.

Here I'm in a dilemma. I do agree that this would be good for having "clean" records (though as Lucas showed already, there are many ways to cheat, and eliminating cheating with 100% certainty would require a lot of impractical overhead work). On the other hand, I don't want all the honest cubers punished.

We won't punish any cuber if all past results are put aside, just don't mix them with new results under new rules. With that we will avoid discussion about others who possibly cheated.

I respect that you are talking about the human aspects of cheating, and the human aspect in this particular case. This is why I wanted to become a lawyer once. Every criminal is also a human being, and every crime has it’s own story.
That's exactly my point Joel, keep in mind the human aspect and, of course, his age.

They don’t set world records in such tests. They don’t get on stage to shake Mr. Rubiks hand afterwards. They don’t receive 2000 euro’s of prize money. They don’t push Tyson Mao off the podium at a World Championship. They don’t take 15 cubes and pose in front of the camara’s with a smile.
But there's a story behind it: he loves attention which he can only get to improve his own worldrecords. So once cheated there was no way back....

I am convinced that in serious sports, when honour and money is involved, many people will tend to be a lot more honest.
I disagree, many athletes use enhancement drugs (and never get caught).

I think that what Matyas has done for such a long time is disgusting. Will this damage his life? I don’t really know. But come on! If you mess with 100’s of people for such a long period of time, it is bound to come out someday. He should have seen it coming.
I partially agree, just keep in mind he was a very, very young boy when he started this.

I agree that he should have a second chance. But right now, I personally don’t feel like meeting him the next competition, or the one after that. So a temporary ban is ok with me.
I would not avoid him when he will visit a competition soon. I hope he will admit he cheated and talk about it, when, how and why. But maybe we have to wait a couple of years, until he has grown older.

Yes, all we can do is waiting for whatever the WCA decides but this forum could help them seeing things from different sides.

Gus

OKAY... okay... i cant even BEGIN to explain how mad this makes me, but lets just start with one thing at a time.... FIRST OFF, C'mon he's just a kid?!?! WHAT THE HELL he is a friggin teenager!! and BULL **** he doesn even know what he is doing, it looks like he knew what he was going DAMN good enough to keep us fooled for SO MANY YEARS, and do so with a GRIN, and smart us all out by trying to make every solve he did look as legit as possible, he robbed others of THEIR HARD EARNED WORK and what THEY DESEREVED, and even after knowing all this still decided not to even admit he cheated?? sorry but thats not a kid to me, that is one of the most DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL, DEMEANING things i have EVER heard of and matyas know for SURE what he has been doing for ALL THESE YEARS! okay next thing about mixing all these old results with new results stuff im not that contraversial about that but REALLY like others said, why should everyone else be put at fault just because of ONE DISGRACEFUL PERSON? and yeah yeah yeah like you said others could cheat too... but we didnt even consider this until Matyas cheated himself!!! which AGAIN is matyas fault!! and why are others suffering from him?!!?!?! and seriously... he was a very young boy when he started this?? THIS GIVES HIM THE RIGHT TO CHEAT DOES IT??!?!? and i understand your not saying that, BUT your saying we shouldnt be so hard on him.. yet he NEVER STOPPED CHEATING! and really honestly i couldnt care LESS if he came to another competition soon cause face it, he is a horrible person for doing what he did. Im sorry but when i practice cubing for hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon hours, upon ENDLESS HOURS for MY credit and MY RESPECT in the cubing community, it really..... REALLY P***** me off when others gain what i have always wanted, by simply just CHEATING, and doing it along the way with a grin and acting like a total obnoxious P****. and OH... my.. GOD... seriously? there is a story behind matyas that gives him the right to ROB everyone at WC? and gain a WR in the most disgusting, despicable way imaginable?! its like your defending his cheating! and after cheating there was no way for him to go back? hmm lets see... oh yeah.. maybe he could have.. .STOPPED CHEATING?!?! or never even cheated in the first place! and he could only gain attention by doing this to gain his world records? OKAY you know what I have to do to gain MY attention or World record (which i have NONE by the way)? i have to work my A** off for Endless hours to SHEER EXHAUSTION, like an HONEST person would!!!! That is all i have to say for this topic, im sorry if this came off as rude towards you Gus because really im just pointing my rage at Matyas, and all im trying to say with this post is i strongly disagree with you, but YES like you said all we can do is wait for the WCA's confirmation on this. But now i just simply HATE Matyas for what he has done and i wouldnt even care if the worst possible punishment out of this situation is he would be banned forever and ALL his Records taken away. because face it he is a disgrace and i would even go as FAR as to agree with some ending words i have from Rowe hessler himself.

Rowe Hessler: CRUCIFY HIM!! CRUCIFY HIM!!

Thanks, that is all.
 
I have a problem with the idea of cleaning the records. I plan on attending a tournament soon, and I've been training my ass off in the BLD event, what happens if I get a successful solve, but then the records get cleaned? now i'm screwed and I'll feel like I have to prove my worth once more. eh... this concern is meaningless and doesn't affect anyone.

also, why not just take the simple path, delete Matyas's records and leave the rest? someone else gets caught, delete theirs!
 
Wow, way over the top. As of yet, I have only seen evidence of one solve in which it is most likely that he cheated. I hardly think it seems fair to take away all his records and ban him forever. Despite my own opinions, Immanuel Kant was the sort of man that advocated "an eye for an eye". I would hardly say your offer reflects that.

EDIT: this is aimed at Mr. Eide, of course.
 
Wow this thread is closed ... Mind you Derrick, I'm being "neutral, and not stating my opinion but this thread is done too."

I suggest that no more threads like this are started.
 
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