OK, for some people I understand deleting all bld results from the past is a step too far, especially for those who do not compete very much or anymore. But maybe we could preserve those past results and not mix them with the new-style results. Would this be a reasonable alternative?
He kept lying to us even after the WCA gave him an honest opportunity to confess, and even after he had seen the first reconstructions. And then the investigation also took a lot of time and energy from a lot of people, and put us in a quite awkward position. It's quite obvious that he doesn't respect the community, so it's *not* unfair if the community doesn't respect him anymore.
And this is not a school test, where you cheat so you don't fail. This is at the highest level of worldwide cubing, there's a lot of respect and also money involved. Matyas stole what other people deserved.
C'mon, Stefan, he's just a kid. Do really think he all realized what you just said? We're the adults that created the WCA rules, we should know better, at least make better bld rules. I agree we should make clear to him we are not happy with his cheating, a temporary ban is an option but let's not crucify him!
I don't care. The community is more important than him.
I do not agree! Being a community should not be more important than someone's life.
Here I'm in a dilemma. I do agree that this would be good for having "clean" records (though as Lucas showed already, there are many ways to cheat, and eliminating cheating with 100% certainty would require a lot of impractical overhead work). On the other hand, I don't want all the honest cubers punished.
We won't punish any cuber if all past results are put aside, just don't mix them with new results under new rules. With that we will avoid discussion about others who possibly cheated.
I respect that you are talking about the human aspects of cheating, and the human aspect in this particular case. This is why I wanted to become a lawyer once. Every criminal is also a human being, and every crime has it’s own story.
That's exactly my point Joel, keep in mind the human aspect and, of course, his age.
They don’t set world records in such tests. They don’t get on stage to shake Mr. Rubiks hand afterwards. They don’t receive 2000 euro’s of prize money. They don’t push Tyson Mao off the podium at a World Championship. They don’t take 15 cubes and pose in front of the camara’s with a smile.
But there's a story behind it: he loves attention which he can only get to improve his own worldrecords. So once cheated there was no way back....
I am convinced that in serious sports, when honour and money is involved, many people will tend to be a lot more honest.
I disagree, many athletes use enhancement drugs (and never get caught).
I think that what Matyas has done for such a long time is disgusting. Will this damage his life? I don’t really know. But come on! If you mess with 100’s of people for such a long period of time, it is bound to come out someday. He should have seen it coming.
I partially agree, just keep in mind he was a very, very young boy when he started this.
I agree that he should have a second chance. But right now, I personally don’t feel like meeting him the next competition, or the one after that. So a temporary ban is ok with me.
I would not avoid him when he will visit a competition soon. I hope he will admit he cheated and talk about it, when, how and why. But maybe we have to wait a couple of years, until he has grown older.
Yes, all we can do is waiting for whatever the WCA decides but this forum could help them seeing things from different sides.
Gus
