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Britains Got Talent "Faker"

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#42
... Otherwise we will have more of those non-cbers saying "hey! you're just following a pattern You are cheating" etc.
To be honest you will always get those comments because some people believe it to be impossible so therefore no one can actually do it, and if you can you are cheating somehow. Do I care ... no.

I watched the BGT show with the 3bld and obviously is was faked but I still carried on watching it, mostly to see the judges reactions which were as I expected. Did it upset me, no ... the show was just that a show. Certainly within the cubing community we know that the solves were fake, but the audience did not and so in the end the show was a hit .... fake or not.
 
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#43
Clearly you don't understand the format of the show. To which it is not there responsibility to make cubing recognised. It's a tiny hobby. If you want recognition go play a major sport or something.
Speedcubing revives recognition by being on the show. Maybe not much but a little.

This guy faking bld solves undermines those who seriously practice, this is mainly problem due to non-cuber ignorance. He is going on TV and faking these stunts, on a talent show. Think of it as you will.

I can't bothered arguing. This topic has been discussed before. I have nothing too add.
 
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The only problem I have that when non-cubers talk to me about it they always compare whatever I say to whatever fake videos they see. This is not really a big problem but it can get very, very annoying when they say I'm just jealous when I tell them it's fake.

While I don't think that this undermines anyone's efforts when the person is open about it like this guy, the 20 sec juggling guy insisting it's real is quite annoying and rather poor on their part.

Certainly, it is more important to have the respect of people who know what they are talking about and just having fun than what the general public thinks but it does get very annoying.

However, these are not worth having an argument over and especially not worth insulting others over especially on an open forum where I think those who have resorted to such methods in order to get their "point" across are seriously pushing what us acceptable. In this way, I find the biggest problem on this thread not to be the fake solves (and personally, I do find it impressive that he memorised all those moves whether he did it with a conventional BLD method or (almost certainly as he seems to indicate) not) but rather the people who have turned this into a thread filled with the lowest form of verbal taunting.
 

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#46
I agree with Toddyt1, at least as far as calling a lot of people out for saying stupid stuff.

Anyway, it's a shame he isn't much of a performer. Doesn't look like he made it far, based on the wiki page.
 
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#47
Well that can be proven wrong quite easily by the way he solved it. He didn't use a known method.
CFOP isn't a known method? News to me.

Anyway, a lot of people are talking about this guy as if he isn't a speedcuber. He actually has a sub-10 single and a mid 10 average in an official comp, and has had several BLD successes in competition, so it's not like he doesn't know how to do it legitimately. He obviously just felt his performance would be better the way he did it.

I find the biggest problem on this thread not to be the fake solves (and personally, I do find it impressive that he memorised all those moves whether he did it with a conventional BLD method or (almost certainly as he seems to indicate) not) but rather the people who have turned this into a thread filled with the lowest form of verbal taunting.
Agreed.
 
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CFOP isn't a known method? News to me.

Anyway, a lot of people are talking about this guy as if he isn't a speedcuber. He actually has a sub-10 single and a mid 10 average in an official comp, and has had several BLD successes in competition, so it's not like he doesn't know how to do it legitimately. He obviously just felt his performance would be better the way he did it.


Agreed.
Oh. I got the guys mixed up there. And he must be terrible at 2x2 because he went hype for getting a 3 second solve...
 
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So, here is my take on it:
(warning, a large comment)
He could have had someone else scramble it before hand, as well as doing the memo. As far as speed goes, we have no idea how long it really took him, because it was not airing live, and there were edits. For example, the cut at 6:30 clearly cut out a large portion of the solve. Also, he is clearly a legit speed cuber judging by his tps. So, he obviously knows about the speedcubing community, and how we can bust fake solves etc. IMO, if he was faking it, he would not have memorized the same scramble twice. That would be dumb, in this community. And, he would have had plenty of time to memo 3 cubes legit. Sure, he could have done the memo on stage, but that would have taken probably at least ten minutes.

However... Imo, his solves did not seem right to me. First of all, if you can do multi blind, you would most likely use the same orientation each time. Also, in the first solve, at 3:51, you can clearly see that f2l is done, indicating that he is using cfop or at least lbl. On the second solve at 4:15, you can see that the f2l is clearly done, as well as OLL. I worked it out, and in fact, the cube looks exactly like this:

a G-Perm with a U' AUF. but... instead he did a Jb perm indicating that he is using something like OP, the Yellow/Orange piece being the buffer. but then a U-Perm clockwise. normally, you would target UF>UL, but this works too. But if he was doing CFOP, then why not a G-Perm? Well, first of all, it is a G-Perm. doing one of those without looking is kinda risky. However, it is possible that he may have been permuting the corners then edges, but unlikely that he would use a J-perm. Personally, i think he just didn't want to do a G-perm blindfolded. If so, then that takes planning ahead of time. *cough**cough* cheating. And on the third cube, there wasn't much footage, but he clearly did sideways CFOP - almost Petrus style - with a U-perm at the end. He did it sideways, because apparently that is how he does OH. Now... were 2 or more of the solves identical? Three, no. Two, maybe. The 3rd solve was a counterclockwise U perm, while the other two were clockwise U perms. If one solve was different, the chances are, the other two are different as well, agreeing with my assumption above.

So, were the solves fake? Most likely. Whatever method he was using was not a blind method, but instead one that takes planning ahead of time... at home... on a scramble generator...

The Real Question is Why? Did you really have to fake it?
 
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I think that the annoying thing about this is that it's a talent show. That means you show off your talent. If memorising three almost identical solves is a skill, while not even trying to hide it because you believe you have a shot at winning money by deceiving people with your talentless "skills", then I don't even understand why I bother anymore.
 

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#51
I'm also in the "don't really mind" camp. If it brings cubing to a bigger audience, I find it hard to object to this.
A slightly different perspective: I know a singing act who did reasonably well on one of these competitions recently. In order to get to the "on stage in front of an audience" part of the show, they had to pass multiple auditions in front of producers etc. (They had failed to get past this stage several times previously.) By the time they were singing live on TV in the following round, they were forced by the production team to sing a song they didn't even like. They were absolutely furious about this, but were told in no uncertain terms that they weren't allowed any input into the format and that if they didn't toe the line they'd be dropped.
 

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So, here is my take on it:
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So, were the solves fake? Most likely. Whatever method he was using was not a blind method, but instead one that takes planning ahead of time... at home... on a scramble generator...

The Real Question is Why? Did you really have to fake it?
Could you please define "fake"?
 

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I noticed that the first two cubes had the exact same scramble, but on different faces, so to non-cubers it looked like an entirely different scramble.
 
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#54
I didn't really read all of the thread but I'm just gonna throw in my 2 cents here...

This kind of guys disgust and annoy me immensely because of one simple reason:
It makes actual BLD solvers who have practised hundreds of hours look bad and really ridicules and undermines their efforts. I don't like that one bit. If you want to be able to do something amazing then learn to actually do it.

Now doing different kind of tricks and stuff that involves rubiks cube is totally fine and ok as long as you are letting the audience know that it is exactly that. Tricks. And not actually legit solves. Good example about this is this awesome guy:
 
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