Breaking sub-30 on 3x3

[TDM]

https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?6085

 

[rjcaste]

Hey guys thanks for helping me with my last thread!
2) Do I need to learn my f2l algs?
3) when do I need to learn Full OLL
4) I like a fast cube but the aolong is more of controllable than fast I have a ancho but it oftens pop and when I tighten the tensions it's not that fast anymore..I use Maru lube! So currently I'm considering weilong?
5) tips to sub 30??

Thanks in advance

2) So, I definitely recommend learning algorithms for tough/tricky F2L cases that with intuitive F2L, would probably eat up a lot of your time.
3) I don't recommend learning full OLL yet, you don't even need it for sub-20. This proves that is true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_NnrYPL0so
4) I haven't even lubed my cube, yet I'm around 20 seconds. Yes, lube and a good cube will make you faster, but what you really need to focus on is to make sure you have every F2L case down so you can do them blindfolded. Then it becomes more of a process than about thinking of it. It should really go to your muscle memory.

You should really check out TDM's link. It's a great guide. You should also check out Badmephisto's tutorials, guides, and tips and tricks on Youtube. They have guided me all the way to where I am today.

 

[10david14]

How to get sub 30 on 3x3?

I am able to do the cross in 3-5 sec. F2L in 15-20 and oll and pll in 5-10 sec. I know 2 step oll and 1 step pll. What is the next major mile stone I need to get under 30 seconds. I would love your expert and/or intermediate opinions.

 

[TDM]

1. Practise your cross. You don't want to ever be doing it in 5 seconds.
2. Learn better algs. Go to algdb.net and find better PLLs.
3. Practise F2L more. Learn to look ahead, and try to not pause at all during F2L.

 

[dannah]

i am just about the same as you in times for each thing and would say just try to keep F2L below 15 seconds, OLL and PLL is fine at 5-10 seconds

 

[jms]

Practise your cross. You don't want to ever be doing it in 5 seconds.

I wish I could do the cross in 5 seconds. It can take me twice that or more...

 

[TDM]

I wish I could do the cross in 5 seconds. It can take me twice that or more...

How fast are you? For someone wanting to get sub-30 5 seconds is too slow, but if you're not trying to get sub-30 then your cross speed could be fine.

 

[jms]

How fast are you? For someone wanting to get sub-30 5 seconds is too slow, but if you're not trying to get sub-30 then your cross speed could be fine.

I'm still trying to get sub-60.

I'm averaging about 1m25s-ish.

Single PB is 1m7s.

 

[TDM]

I'm still trying to get sub-60.

I'm averaging about 1m25s-ish.

Single PB is 1m7s.

Your cross should be about 8-10 seconds then; maybe up to 12 is ok.
(these numbers are just estimates btw, but it gets more important to get a good cross as you get faster)

 

[goodatthis]

it starts with a P and ends with an E and has 8 letters, and the name of a cool state abbreviation in it

P..CT..E

that is the key to sub everything

 

[dott]

Cross shut be 1sec Try to use your inspection time to look what you have to do for the cross. Later on you can also use it to find pairs for F2L.
F2L needs practice to get fast. You need to see the matching pairs without long searching and use the fastest solution.
Solving the last layer in 3 algs is ok, you could work on your finger-tricks there i guess.

 

[thinkium]

How do I get sub 30 seconds?

I have trouble getting times under 30 seconds and also have trouble with memorizing PLL algorithms. Any recommendations?

 

[PigsFTW]

Practice is what has helped me. When you're learning the PLL Algs, just do them over and over, until you're watching the cube and not the written alg.

Also, you should really work on F2L because your times will change based on how good you are at that.

 

[PJKCuber]

Practice, Look ahead and PLL

 

[josh42732]

Also, you could, I mean, it's not necessary, but you could always look at YouTube turotials, look at the *cough cough* algorithm database for algorithms that are easier to learn than others, or you could just look at other threads and see how other people got faster.

 

[Animorpher13]

work on getting ~7-9 move crosses during inspection and practice looking ahead for another f2l pair as you insert the first one. As for memorizing PLL's, break them up into triggers (small/fast/easy sets of moves like sexy move or sledgehammer) and just memorize the triggers. It takes some muscle memory, but after a while you should get it!

 

[Dong]

On my PLLs, I usually know where I am by the look of the last layer, so looking at the cube while learning the algs is a yes.

To be honest, F2L is your best shot to getting low times. F2L is around 2/3s of your entire solve time, so practice your lookahead.
To practice that, I would do two things that you might've heard before.
1) Use a metronome (one move per beat). Start at 60, go up to 180 gradually. 60 BPM might sound slow, but it is hard to maintain, and when I started practicing that way, I couldn't even do 60.
2) Find your pair, and insert it without looking at it. That way, when you actually solve, you can look at the rest of the cube to find the other pairs instead of staring at the one you're inserting, which is a common block for look-ahead.

Also, @Josh, Comic Sans MS is bad, and this place doesn't even have Calibri...

 

[Spandy]

Hello guys, I am stuck at avering around 34 seconds with some solves( around 1 in 50) going around 28 seconds.
My distribution of times is
Cross: 6.84
F2L : 18.62
OLL : 5.25
PLL : 6.02

My individual PLL times are
Corners_Three_Cycle_Clockwise_(A1):_____avg: 3.98, std: 0.00, num: 1
Corners_Three_Cycle_Anti-Clockwise_(A2):avg: 4.05, std: 0.53, num: 7
Parallel_Corners_Swap_(E):______________avg: 6.79, std: 0.00, num: 1
Adjacent_Edges_Swap_(Z):________________avg: 10.53, std: 0.00, num: 1
Opposite_Edges_Swap_(H):________________avg: 4.45, std: 0.00, num: 1
Edges_Three_Cycle_Anti-Clockwise_(U1):__avg: 2.80, std: 0.20, num: 3
Edges_Three_Cycle_Clockwise_(U2):_______avg: 4.11, std: 0.98, num: 2
Push_Push_(J1):_________________________avg: 4.39, std: 1.35, num: 4
Push_Push_Upside_Down_(J2):_____________avg: 2.87, std: 0.35, num: 7
T_perm_(T):_____________________________avg: 2.86, std: 0.00, num: 1
Lucky_7_(R1):__________________________avg: 4.27, std: 0.26, num: 4
Lucky_7_Upside-Down_(R2):______________avg: 4.83, std: 1.20, num: 5
Parallell_Lines_(F):___________________avg: 4.34, std: 0.09, num: 2
Edges+Corners_Three_Cycle_(G1):________avg: 5.81, std: 0.91, num: 3
Edges+Corners_Three_Cycle_(G2):________avg: 5.76, std: 0.92, num: 4
Edges+Corners_Three_Cycle_(G3):________avg: 5.39, std: 0.97, num: 3
Edges+Corners_Three_Cycle_(G4):________avg: 4.15, std: 0.57, num: 8
V_Perm_(V):____________________________avg: 5.98, std: 0.97, num: 4
N_Perm_(N1):___________________________avg: 6.13, std: 0.70, num: 3
N_Perm_(N2):___________________________avg: 0.00, std: 0.00, num: 0
Y_Perm_(Y):____________________________avg: 4.12, std: 0.70, num: 3
Total Average: 4.88 (Thanks Badmephisto)

So do you have any suggestions? I am currently working on look ahead and 2 side PLL recognition. Thanks.

P.S. I also know some cases of winter variation and do 2 look OLL with knowing some individual cases. I can insert F2L pairs from almost all angles but I have difficulty in pairing them and usually have to do a cube rotation.

 

[Ranzha]

I don't understand how a 9-move A-perm takes you 4 seconds to execute. Do you use finger tricks?

Focus on algorithm fluidity and a consistent turning speed during your PLLs. Focus on how each move flows to the next. Drill and drill and drill.

Post a video of you solving the cube using 5 random computer generated scrambles, preferably from over your shoulder. That will give all of us a better idea of your strengths and weaknesses.

 

[PJKCuber]

Drill algs.