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Breaking sub-30 on 3x3

molarmanful said:
Efficiency is not needed unless you can't turn faster.
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I don't agree with this. In my opinion, it's easier to become more efficient and then improve TPS than it is to increase TPS, and then try to become more efficient while turning as fast as possible. It's going to be harder to think about efficiency if you're turning too fast. Imo, efficiency is one of the most important things to develop earlier on.
 
TDM said:
I don't agree with this. In my opinion, it's easier to become more efficient and then improve TPS than it is to increase TPS, and then try to become more efficient while turning as fast as possible. It's going to be harder to think about efficiency if you're turning too fast. Imo, efficiency is one of the most important things to develop earlier on.
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Sure. I was trying to say that efficiency comes naturally, but hey -- I'm pretty bad with explanations...
 
i don't think he turns that slow. i probably turned that slow when i was averaging 25 with cfop (4lll). after switching to roux and and increasing my tps, i still am not sub 20 cfop (4lll). increasing my tps didn't create that much of a difference in my cfop speed. but lookahead and quick recognition does a lot, especially at 35 seconds.
 
GuRoux said:
i don't think he turns that slow. i probably turned that slow when i was averaging 25 with cfop (4lll). after switching to roux and and increasing my tps, i still am not sub 20 cfop (4lll). increasing my tps didn't create that much of a difference in my cfop speed. but lookahead and quick recognition does a lot, especially at 35 seconds.
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I agree with this. I am averaging 35-40 (my sig was a lucky day I think) and where I fail is lookahead and recognition. I know all 41 F2L cases, but it can take me a couple of seconds to a) find a pair and b) work out which f2l case it is. If I could get better at this I'd be averaging under 30 seconds all the time.
 
The cross is a huge thing. You should not worry about 15 second inspection right now, just inspect as long as it takes to at least figure out the solution for 3 pieces of your cross.

Also (see how much more specific the advice got when you posted a vid :cool: )
 
How to break Sub 30 when averaging 35 seconds?

Hello, I average 35 seconds with a fangshi shuangren v1 mini. It is my main and is fast. I know 2 look oll and 15/21 pll's (no g perm or diagonal pll)
I do cross in 6-8 seconds with cross on top and i am not colour neutral, only white.
I do f2l in 15-23 seconds and ll's in 8-10.
I also do fingertricks and i have been cubing for 8 months.
 
I would say get your cross down to sub-4 and do it on bottom, finish learning pll, learn lookahead, and drill your last layer algs.
 
Post a video so we can actually help you.

Everyone is different, everyone has different hurdles to jump. There's no way to know exactly how to help you without seeing a video of you solving.
 
DeeDubb said:
Post a video so we can actually help you.

Everyone is different, everyone has different hurdles to jump. There's no way to know exactly how to help you without seeing a video of you solving.
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Idk, there's already obvious flaws from the splits and description. I think this is a case where a video would be helpful, but certainly not necessary.

To OP, your cross is your first big problem. You need to start solving it on bottom (or on left, if you like - on right if you're a lefty). Take way more inspection time than 15 seconds and try to come up with a cross solution that is no longer than 9 moves. This and this video should help. Doing this will not only cut down your cross time, but your F2L time as well since you'll save the rotation and already be able to be looking for your first pair.

And honestly, if you practice that enough, that alone will get you to sub-30. Also, finish your G perms, and N perms (not sure if thats what you meant, there are 4 G perms which means you're only referencing two).

An easy to learn G(b or c) perm: R2 F2 R2 [R(a or b) perm] R2 F2 R2
An easy to learn N(a): R U R' U (Jb perm) U' R U' R'

Those can get you started
 
Learn cross on bottom, its sooo much better.
Perfect your F2L, learn some f2l algs to help you.
Then finish your PLLs, I'm still working on learning v perm, every time I run into it I feel like dying, lol

Good luck man!
 
Work fingertricks and speed along with recognition of algs, that will greatly reduce your LL time (reduce it by 5 secs)
Try to do cross in less than 6 moves
 
How to break 30 second barrier

Hello, i average usually 30-34 seconds and if im lucky sub 30 on an average of 5. But on average of 12 and larger, i break sub 30. I currently use a hualong and i lubed and restickered it. The cube gets me good times and i usually do cross in 4-6 seconds, f2l in 1/3-1/2 of my time or even more. Oll in 4-6 seconds, and pll in about 6-8
i know 15 out of the 21 plls and do 2 look oll. and intuitive f2l
 
Your f2l is the most important, so keep working on that.
Quick Question: Are you color neutral?
Some f2l Tips:
- Go SLOWLY though f2l
- As you insert your are inserting each f2l pair, look for your next pair (the corner and the edge that make a pair)
- Don't do cube rotations unless absolutely necessary
 
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