Big Cube BLD Discussion

[MatejMuzatko]

So, I began my big cube BLD course few weeks ago. I find it so exciting how I can solve it with almost no algorithms! (I use comms for centers, r2 for edges and intuitive set-ups for letter pairs, where an alg would be needed)
I've gotten one success for 4BLD and 5BLD yet. 4BLD being 33 minutes and 54 minutes for 5BLD. I have a competition this weekend, where limits are half an hour for 4BLD and an hour for 5BLD. I'd like to make it, even if I don't do it regurarly at home.
Since I am newbie, I have a problem with forgetting. I'd like to know your opinion: Should I do some full-attempts before competition? I am scared, that I will not forget and will mess up officially... But also would like to practice some normal attempts.
What I do is scramble a 5x5, + centers, solve + centers, memo midges, solve midges etc... That drills my 5BLD execution, but rather helps my 3BLD memo than 5BLD memo...
If anyone interested (you can also criticize me on that, I am open to your suggestions) my order is: + centers, midges, x centers, corners, wings and I memorize in opposite order.
Sorry for long post and bad english. Thanks for all your replies and wish me luck for the competition
PS: I also learned a lot by following this thread along, this is awesome!

 

[conn9]

Hey guys, I've got a couple questions on 4BLD memo. I've learned U2/r2/OP from Noah's tutorials and understand how it works. I can do sighted solves and am happy with letter schemes etc. I just need some advice on how to store my memo if that's ok. Apologies in advance for the barrage of questions, I couldn't really find 4BLD-specific answers from the videos I've watched.

So for the journey method, should I come up with a snaking pathway throughout my house (or other locations) that covers all of the rooms? How many locations should I have per room, and how many letter pairs / images should I put in each location? Noah suggested 4 locations for multiBLD (a cube per room), so how different is it for 4BLD? Do people usually use a room (or two) for wings, a room for centres and a room for corners? And should I use the same few rooms for each solve or move along my path for successive solves to stop myself getting confused with previous attempts?

I'm also a bit confused about which order to memo and solve in. Due to the parity algs I use, centres would have to be memoed last and solved first, but is there a suggested order of doing wings and corners?

I understand that of course a lot of this depends on personal preference, but I think it would be best for me if I learned a set way of doing it now and then tweaked it later. Thanks!

 

[Berd]

Hey guys, I've got a couple questions on 4BLD memo. I've learned U2/r2/OP from Noah's tutorials and understand how it works. I can do sighted solves and am happy with letter schemes etc. I just need some advice on how to store my memo if that's ok. Apologies in advance for the barrage of questions, I couldn't really find 4BLD-specific answers from the videos I've watched.

So for the journey method, should I come up with a snaking pathway throughout my house (or other locations) that covers all of the rooms? How many locations should I have per room, and how many letter pairs / images should I put in each location? Noah suggested 4 locations for multiBLD (a cube per room), so how different is it for 4BLD? Do people usually use a room (or two) for wings, a room for centres and a room for corners? And should I use the same few rooms for each solve or move along my path for successive solves to stop myself getting confused with previous attempts?

I'm also a bit confused about which order to memo and solve in. Due to the parity algs I use, centres would have to be memoed last and solved first, but is there a suggested order of doing wings and corners?

I understand that of course a lot of this depends on personal preference, but I think it would be best for me if I learned a set way of doing it now and then tweaked it later. Thanks!

I memo corners and wings in 4 groups of 8 targets (4 letter pairs.) I than audio loop centers. I'm also curious what other people do...

 

[josh42732]

Hey guys, I've got a couple questions on 4BLD memo. I've learned U2/r2/OP from Noah's tutorials and understand how it works. I can do sighted solves and am happy with letter schemes etc. I just need some advice on how to store my memo if that's ok. Apologies in advance for the barrage of questions, I couldn't really find 4BLD-specific answers from the videos I've watched.

So for the journey method, should I come up with a snaking pathway throughout my house (or other locations) that covers all of the rooms? How many locations should I have per room, and how many letter pairs / images should I put in each location? Noah suggested 4 locations for multiBLD (a cube per room), so how different is it for 4BLD? Do people usually use a room (or two) for wings, a room for centres and a room for corners? And should I use the same few rooms for each solve or move along my path for successive solves to stop myself getting confused with previous attempts?

I'm also a bit confused about which order to memo and solve in. Due to the parity algs I use, centres would have to be memoed last and solved first, but is there a suggested order of doing wings and corners?

I understand that of course a lot of this depends on personal preference, but I think it would be best for me if I learned a set way of doing it now and then tweaked it later. Thanks!

I memo centers, wings, and corners then execute centers, corners, and wings. I do centers first so I dont have to worry about center-twisting stuff. Also, I have one room for centers, another room for wings with about 12-15 locations and for corners, I make a sentence and memo that because I dont really have to know it for long term. I alreAdy had the second room from doing MBLD and that one room fit a whole cube so I just had to make a few tweaks to my room to make it work for wings. I strongly recommend writing down room ideas, then for each room, have different locations, and then using that for coming up with new rooms. That's how I am making up new rooms.

 

[h2f]

I memo: centers, wings, corners. Centers: 4 words in one image (every word - 2 letters) + 4 words (or less or more) in one room with two places. Wings: 4 words + 3-4 words + 3-4 words in second room with 3 places. Corners audio pairs. I execute corners first - as far as it is with 3style it doesnt affect centers. Earlier, when I mixed OP and 3 style I did 4 algs with OP because it doesnt affect centers. After corners I do centers and wings.

 

[conn9]

Thanks for the replies, I guess I've got a good idea on how to get started with this now

 

[AustinReed]

This may have already been asked, but I'd figure I'd throw it out there.

I need to REALLY get more consistent with 5BLD. I've had one success out of 20+ attempts. I'm pretty good at 4bld accuracy, so I'm not quite sure what the problem is. I'm usually missing centers though.

So, I've decided to change my memo around a bit. I used to do either + or x centers as audio (short-term) and then do them first. I'm thinking of doing them long-term (journey/story) so I can be a bit more accurate and making the corners audio. However, I hate doing comms for corners right now because I feel inaccurate with them and I'm just always worried about being center-safe.

What pieces do people usually use in short-term memory? I know most people do centers first, but I'm going to try to ease it down a bit until I can get a bit faster/better. I'm just curious about some insight here.

 

[CyanSandwich]

I memo centers and wings long term, and do midges and corners as a 3BLD at the end, with corner audio.

I'm not good at comms, but I just have a handful that I setup to. You're also center safe if you do a multiple of 4 Y-perms.
I twist corners with Y-perms, so if I have a single twisted corner I have to remember to do a U2 before and after centers.

My 5BLD accuracy is terrible though. Cale will probably have some good advice.

 

[tseitsei]

IMO quite obviously the best memo/execution order for 5bld is:

Memo +centers and midges in whatever order first.
Memo rest like you would do 4bld.
Execute 4bld.
Execute rest.

Because that way every time you practise 4bld you will also be practising big part of your actual 5bld solve and also vice versa...

 

[MatejMuzatko]

IMO quite obviously the best memo/execution order for 5bld is:

Memo +centers and midges in whatever order first.
Memo rest like you would do 4bld.
Execute 4bld.
Execute rest.

Because that way every time you practise 4bld you will also be practising big part of your actual 5bld solve and also vice versa...

That's a good logic, and I will consider switching to that. For now I like executing 4BLD last, because of wing parity.
My order is:

Memo wings, memo corners, memo X centers, memo midges. (4 separate rooms)
Memo + centers with sentences, no rooms.
Execution: + centers, midges, x centers, corners, wings

I also like this because I am always switching between big and small sets, which is convenient for my memo and also execution.

 

[h2f]

IMO quite obviously the best memo/execution order for 5bld is:

Memo +centers and midges in whatever order first.
Memo rest like you would do 4bld.
Execute 4bld.
Execute rest.

Because that way every time you practise 4bld you will also be practising big part of your actual 5bld solve and also vice versa...

Thats good idea. But is it a center-safe if I solve edges edeges (in 5bld arent they tredges?) in 4 bld with r2? And what about parity?

 

[MatejMuzatko]

Thats good idea. But is it a center-safe if I solve edges edeges (in 5bld arent they tredges?) in 4 bld with r2? And what about parity?

Solving wings with r2 is center safe, but parity is not (when you have to switch 2 wings). Maybe there are some center safe 2 swap algs, but I think they have to be a lot harder then the standard one. I think that Noah Arthurs does centers last and leaves the 2 swapped wings for the end, if there is parity.

 

[tseitsei]

Thats good idea. But is it a center-safe if I solve edges edeges (in 5bld arent they tredges?) in 4 bld with r2? And what about parity?

Edges/wings are easy to solve center safe. I leave parities at the end of the solve and remember it by crossing my legs. It is really foolproof way to deal with parity...

I just cross my legs:
1) right over left if I have corner(-midge in 5bld) parity
2) left over right if I have wing parity
3) heels together if I have both parities
4) keep legs seperated if I have no parities

 

[h2f]

Edges/wings are easy to solve center safe. I leave parities at the end of the solve and remember it by crossing my legs. It is really foolproof way to deal with parity...

Leaving parities to the end is quite easy to remeber. I tried to use almost same trick with legs as you. But what about FU and BD with r2? Are these algs from M2 center-safe?

 

[tseitsei]

I dont know what algs you use but it should be easy enough to find some algs that are center safe...

 

[h2f]

I dont know what algs you use but it should be easy enough to find some algs that are center safe...

Ok. I can be done with easy setups from advanced M2.

 

[ottozing]

So, I've been wanting to try getting into 4BLD recently to help my 3BLD/get closer to platinum member/just for fun, and since for 3BLD I memo edges audio, I want to do something similar with 4BLD and memo centers audio. However, I'm a bit confused as to how I should be doing it using a 3cycle execution method along with floating buffers, so if anyone knows a solid way to memo centers like this I'd be interested to check it out. Right now the ideas I have are only leaving me more and more confused

 

[moralsh]

I do 3-cycles for centers and audio, but no floating buffers. I just memo groups of 4 so it's quite straight forward to execute them in pairs.

Maybe you can add a number in there every time you pick another buffer, how does it sound?

 

[mark49152]

I also do 4-letter audio words. Generally there are 4 words in a memo, sometimes an extra syllable. Maybe for floating buffers you could group words per buffer instead and use visual memo for the buffer? I assume you'd always have pairs and thus whole syllables.

 

[mark49152]

I also do 4-letter audio words. Generally there are 4 words in a memo, sometimes an extra syllable.

Actually I have a question about this. At the moment, centre memo is my slowest stage. I went with audio because I thought it would be faster, but I am having trouble getting the memo to stick without repeated reviews, and recall mistakes on centres is perhaps my most common reason for DNFs.

My question is this: are centres (typically 16-18 targets) too much information for fast, short term audio memo? Should I just keep practising, or am I on the wrong path using audio for this?