Big Cube BLD Discussion

[tseitsei]

The whole solving order stuff is just pretty much personal preference...

I do for 5bld:
memo:
1. + centers
2. midges
3. x-centers
4. wings
5. corners
exec:
1. corners
2. wings
3. x-centers
4. + centers
5. midges
6. wing and/or midge/corner parity

Which is basically:
Memo everything that 4bld doesn't have.
Do (memo&execution) normal 4bld solve (except no parity fixes at the end)
Execute everything that is still left + fix parities...

 

[Cale S]

Also, I want to know if there's a method like U2 for the +centres, because I don't feel confident with conmutators.

Corey Sakowski made a tutorial for U2 +centers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w59BgT6piDU

Shouldn't it be: y2 (R U R' U') Rw2 F2 U2 r2 U2 F2 Rw2 (U R U' R')?

They actually both work, I just learned it with Fw2 instead of F2 so that's what I've always used.

 

[h2f]

They actually both work, I just learned it with Fw2 instead of F2 so that's what I've always used.

Ok, thanks. I learnt the alg from Grzegorz Jałocha and it was without wide move.

 

[APdRF]

Thank you Cale! Also I feel stupid for my way to fix the midges parity, of course you have to do Rw2 F2... so you don't destroy the wings xD

 

[TheCoolMinxer]

I have a lot of trouble finding good letter pairs. Would you recommend making a list for all letter pairs? So one verb and one noun for each pair?
Also I have a hard time forgetting my memo. I even know my complete 4BLD memo from yesterday. How can I fix that?

 

[tseitsei]

I have a lot of trouble finding good letter pairs. Would you recommend making a list for all letter pairs? So one verb and one noun for each pair?
Also I have a hard time forgetting my memo. I even know my complete 4BLD memo from yesterday. How can I fix that?

Review less. You'll be faster and forget your memos sooner

 

[TheCoolMinxer]

Review less. You'll be faster and forget your memos sooner

Thanks! But for getting my first success, I should go really safe, shouldn't I? How often would you recommend reviewing each set(wings,centers,corners)? and would you recommend this letter pair list thing?

 

[TDM]

I kind of get it... I'll do practise memos and see if I have any problems. I don't have three rooms yet, but I'm sure I could if I tried I'll try using three different locations and using your other formula then, since it'd save time only counting a third of the wings, and I'd be less likely to forget memo by the end, which I do quite often.

So I'm having difficulty if I have e.g. a 2-cycle, and I don't know which pieces I need to cycle. Is there any way to find the pieces more easily than going through your entire edge memo once for each letter to see if you've included it or not?

 

[tseitsei]

Thanks! But for getting my first success, I should go really safe, shouldn't I? How often would you recommend reviewing each set(wings,centers,corners)? and would you recommend this letter pair list thing?

Oh, you are just trying to get your first success. Then I would say review as much as you need to make absolutely sure you don't forget anything. You won't be able to do that many attempts because you will remember the earlier memos. But after you have your first (few) success(es) you can start going faster.

As for how much to review that really depends on how good you are. At first you must review more to remember everything but with practise you can review less and less.
I think Ollie for example doesn't really need to review anymore for 4BLD (Ollie feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ). I memo centers review centers. Then memo wings and if needed just quickly say them in my mind again (I don't visualize/use images for wings. I just make sentences and words which is faster but more short term memory). Then quick audio loop memo for corners and I'm ready. Memoing centers is taking me almost as long as memoing all the rest (wings+corners) even tough it's much less pieces because I need to use proper images for centers or I'll forget them.

For letter pair list. Some people recommend it but I have never had one. I still come up with new words on the spot that happen to fit my memo. Of course I have some kind of list for harder letter pairs in my head (but not written down anywhere) that I can go to if I can't immediately come up with something better/intuitive. I think a strict list will make your memo less flexible but having a list as "backup" for (at least for those harder letter pairs) cases where you can't intuitively come up with anything quickly is a good thing...

Example of my letter pairs: for example for HI I don't really have anything pre-set but depending on what would fit my current memo best I could choose from many Finnish words because HI is quite commonly used in Finnish language. I could use Hiihtää(ski), Hihittää(laugh), Hiili(coal or carbon), Hiisi(kind of an orc), Hiiva(yeast)....

But for AB for example I would always use from preset list in my head the word Aboriginal since we have VERY few words in Finnish that have letter B in them...

 

[TheCoolMinxer]

Oh, you are just trying to get your first success. Then I would say review as much as you need to make absolutely sure you don't forget anything. You won't be able to do that many attempts because you will remember the earlier memos. But after you have your first (few) success(es) you can start going faster.

As for how much to review that really depends on how good you are. At first you must review more to remember everything but with practise you can review less and less.
I think Ollie for example doesn't really need to review anymore for 4BLD (Ollie feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ). I memo centers review centers. Then memo wings and if needed just quickly say them in my mind again (I don't visualize/use images for wings. I just make sentences and words which is faster but more short term memory). Then quick audio loop memo for corners and I'm ready. Memoing centers is taking me almost as long as memoing all the rest (wings+corners) even tough it's much less pieces because I need to use proper images for centers or I'll forget them.

For letter pair list. Some people recommend it but I have never had one. I still come up with new words on the spot that happen to fit my memo. Of course I have some kind of list for harder letter pairs in my head (but not written down anywhere) that I can go to if I can't immediately come up with something better/intuitive. I think a strict list will make your memo less flexible but having a list as "backup" for (at least for those harder letter pairs) cases where you can't intuitively come up with anything quickly is a good thing...

Example of my letter pairs: for example for HI I don't really have anything pre-set but depending on what would fit my current memo best I could choose from many Finnish words because HI is quite commonly used in Finnish language. I could use Hiihtää(ski), Hihittää(laugh), Hiili(coal or carbon), Hiisi(kind of an orc), Hiiva(yeast)....

But for AB for example I would always use from preset list in my head the word Aboriginal since we have VERY few words in Finnish that have letter B in them...

Thanks a lot for this long, very well written and well explained answer!

 

[TDM]

First attempts at 4BLD centres, corners and edges were all successes I don't think I'll be doing full solves for a while though.

Cale said he uses 3 different rooms for centres. Do you think it would be a good idea to use lots of separate rooms? I've only ever gone out of my first room twice, and neither of those were very successful I know I could easily fit a 4BLD in one room, and I know I'd be comfortable doing that, but I wasn't sure whether other people used loads of different rooms, or if they did everything in one room.

 

[tseitsei]

First attempts at 4BLD centres, corners and edges were all successes I don't think I'll be doing full solves for a while though.

Cale said he uses 3 different rooms for centres. Do you think it would be a good idea to use lots of separate rooms? I've only ever gone out of my first room twice, and neither of those were very successful I know I could easily fit a 4BLD in one room, and I know I'd be comfortable doing that, but I wasn't sure whether other people used loads of different rooms, or if they did everything in one room.

I use 2 rooms for 4BLD centers. 8 targets (4 words) to first one and rest to the second one (6-10 targets).

I also use 2 rooms for each 3x3 cube in my MBLD attempts. One for corners and one for edges. So 6-8 targets to corners rooms and 10-14 targets to edge rooms usually. Works well for me

 

[TDM]

I use 2 rooms for 4BLD centers. 8 targets (4 words) to first one and rest to the second one (6-10 targets).

I also use 2 rooms for each 3x3 cube in my MBLD attempts. One for corners and one for edges. So 6-8 targets to corners rooms and 10-14 targets to edge rooms usually. Works well for me

Wow, how many rooms do you have?

 

[tseitsei]

Wow, how many rooms do you have?

Well "room" is not excactly correct. Location is better.

I have 23 cubes and I use locations for 22 of them so 22*2 locations + I have locations that I don't usually use for two more cubes so all in all 22*2+4=48 locations.

Also I always have locations in sets of 8 inside a bigger location so I can memo 4 cubes and fill one of those bigger locations and move on.

For example my first set is my house:
1. Hallway right as I come in
2. Bathroom
3. Bedroom
4. Computer spot in the corner
5. Balcony
6. Living room/couch spot
7. Kitchen table.
8. Actual kitchen by the stove
And another quite different example is my car:
1. I'm walking to the car and something is happening below it. So below the car is the first one.
2. I open the drivers door and there is something in the drivers seat. So drivers seat.
3. The handymans seat is next.
4. backseat
5. The flat surface behind the back seat and in front of rear window or I might see something happening while looking out of the rear window.
6. trunk of the car
7. on the roof of the car.
8. In the engine room.

I have 6 of these bigger locations:
1. My old house
2. Our guild room at university
3. My current house.
4. My car
5. The bar I often go to
6. My aunts mobile home

And I always use them in that same order.

 

[tseitsei]

Wow, how many rooms do you have?

Well "room" is not excactly correct. Location is better.

I have 23 cubes and I use locations for 22 of them so 22*2 locations + I have locations that I don't usually use for two more cubes so all in all 22*2+4=48 locations.

Also I always have locations in sets of 8 inside a bigger location so I can memo 4 cubes and fill one of those bigger locations and move on.

For example my first set is my house:
1. Hallway right as I come in
2. Bathroom
3. Bedroom
4. Computer spot in the corner
5. Balcony
6. Living room/couch spot
7. Kitchen table.
8. Actual kitchen by the stove
And another quite different example is my car:
1. I'm walking to the car and something is happening below it. So below the car is the first one.
2. I open the drivers door and there is something in the drivers seat. So drivers seat.
3. The handymans seat is next.
4. backseat
5. The flat surface behind the back seat and in front of rear window or I might see something happening while looking out of the rear window.
6. trunk of the car
7. on the roof of the car.
8. In the engine room.

I have 6 of these bigger locations:
1. My old house
2. Our guild room at university
3. My current house.
4. My car
5. The bar I often go to
6. My aunts mobile home

And I always use them in that same order.

 

[josh42732]

Well "room" is not excactly correct. Location is better.

I have 23 cubes and I use locations for 22 of them so 22*2 locations + I have locations that I don't usually use for two more cubes so all in all 22*2+4=48 locations.

Also I always have locations in sets of 8 inside a bigger location so I can memo 4 cubes and fill one of those bigger locations and move on.

For example my first set is my house:
1. Hallway right as I come in
2. Bathroom
3. Bedroom
4. Computer spot in the corner
5. Balcony
6. Living room/couch spot
7. Kitchen table.
8. Actual kitchen by the stove
And another quite different example is my car:
1. I'm walking to the car and something is happening below it. So below the car is the first one.
2. I open the drivers door and there is something in the drivers seat. So drivers seat.
3. The handymans seat is next.
4. backseat
5. The flat surface behind the back seat and in front of rear window or I might see something happening while looking out of the rear window.
6. trunk of the car
7. on the roof of the car.
8. In the engine room.

I have 6 of these bigger locations:
1. My old house
2. Our guild room at university
3. My current house.
4. My car
5. The bar I often go to
6. My aunts mobile home

And I always use them in that same order.

Wow. I wish that I had that many places right now. If I did, I would attempt 2-7 BLD. Lol jk

 

[josh42732]

Well "room" is not excactly correct. Location is better.

I have 23 cubes and I use locations for 22 of them so 22*2 locations + I have locations that I don't usually use for two more cubes so all in all 22*2+4=48 locations.

Also I always have locations in sets of 8 inside a bigger location so I can memo 4 cubes and fill one of those bigger locations and move on.

For example my first set is my house:
1. Hallway right as I come in
2. Bathroom
3. Bedroom
4. Computer spot in the corner
5. Balcony
6. Living room/couch spot
7. Kitchen table.
8. Actual kitchen by the stove
And another quite different example is my car:
1. I'm walking to the car and something is happening below it. So below the car is the first one.
2. I open the drivers door and there is something in the drivers seat. So drivers seat.
3. The handymans seat is next.
4. backseat
5. The flat surface behind the back seat and in front of rear window or I might see something happening while looking out of the rear window.
6. trunk of the car
7. on the roof of the car.
8. In the engine room.

I have 6 of these bigger locations:
1. My old house
2. Our guild room at university
3. My current house.
4. My car
5. The bar I often go to
6. My aunts mobile home

And I always use them in that same order.

Wow. I wish that I had that many places right now. If I did, I would attempt 2-7 BLD. Lol jk

I really like the car idea though, I might use that.

 

[tseitsei]

Wow. I wish that I had that many places right now. If I did, I would attempt 2-7 BLD. Lol jk

I really like the car idea though, I might use that.

It's not that hard to add new places. Just take ANY building/place that you are familiar with and divide it to smaller parts that go in some kind of logical order (clockwise, front to back, left to right, up from down etc.) and start using them.
It will probably be a little awkward the first (or first 2) time(s) but you get used to it surprisingly quickly. Well at least I did...

 

[josh42732]

It's not that hard to add new places. Just take ANY building/place that you are familiar with and divide it to smaller parts that go in some kind of logical order (clockwise, front to back, left to right, up from down etc.) and start using them.
It will probably be a little awkward the first (or first 2) time(s) but you get used to it surprisingly quickly. Well at least I did...

Ok! Will try that next 4BLD attempt!

 

[TheCoolMinxer]

On 4/5BLD wings: for the letters K C and W, do I have to shot the opposite letter, when I have an odd number of targets?
(Uh, hard to describe here haha)