3x3 With Feet Getting Removed

[White KB]

Solving with feet is definitely not an event that I am interested in (Viewing or competing) but I don't see a good reason to get rid of it. If hygiene is an issue then institute a rule where competitors must wash and dry their feet before each solve. This is not unreasonable.
If you're solving with hands then you aren't going to grab your cube after eating a slice of pizza and a bag of cheetos right?
A lot of people have put in a ton of work to be good at this event, and it is certainly not boring!
I wonder if there are any feet solvers who do it because they are otherwise disabled? (Amputees or have mobility issues in their upper appendages)

Well, I would compete if it came to my locale, but it would be a good thing to institute some rules for sanitary reasons. That's what I say, anyway.

 

[One Wheel]

Well, I would compete if it came to my locale, but it would be a good thing to institute some rules for sanitary reasons. That's what I say, anyway.

If instituting special sanitary rules is what it takes to keep feet, fine, but there’s already an unwritten rule: are your hands gross? Wash them before competing. Feet? Same. Feet are not inherently gross any more than hands are. Both can get nasty, and both need to be washed from time to time.

 

[Zeke Mackay]

https://github.com/thewca/wca-regulations/issues/811)

 

[Loser]

Solving with feet is definitely not an event that I am interested in (Viewing or competing) but I don't see a good reason to get rid of it. If hygiene is an issue then institute a rule where competitors must wash and dry their feet before each solve. This is not unreasonable.
If you're solving with hands then you aren't going to grab your cube after eating a slice of pizza and a bag of cheetos right?
A lot of people have put in a ton of work to be good at this event, and it is certainly not boring!
I wonder if there are any feet solvers who do it because they are otherwise disabled? (Amputees or have mobility issues in their upper appendages)

There is someone with be hands that competes in feet. I can't imagine him staying involved if feet was removed.

 

[Underwatercuber]

There is someone with be hands that competes in feet. I can't imagine him staying involved if feet was removed.

1. That’s pretty uncommon to not have functioning hands so using that as a reason to keep feet doesn’t make sense since it affects such a small amount of the community
2. If you have a disability you can talk to your delegate and they can make accommodations. They could likely get permission to do events with their feet.
3. Before any “but they can’t compete on the same level as everyone else”, oh well. If we had to make an event to give everyone will disabilities “equal” conditions then it would be a mess.

 

[Aerma]

1. That’s pretty uncommon to not have functioning hands so using that as a reason to keep feet doesn’t make sense since it affects such a small amount of the community
2. If you have a disability you can talk to your delegate and they can make accommodations. They could likely get permission to do events with their feet.
3. Before any “but they can’t compete on the same level as everyone else”, oh well. If we had to make an event to give everyone will disabilities “equal” conditions then it would be a mess.

Lack of an obviously good reason to keep an event isn't in itself a reason to remove the event though.

 

[Underwatercuber]

Lack of an obviously good reason to keep an event isn't in itself a reason to remove the event though.

If we are referring to the disability thing then yes, just because it’s not a good reason to keep the event doesn’t mean we should remove it. Overall though if there isn’t any good reason to keep an event then it should be removed (this isn’t the case with any event including feet right now)

 

[One Wheel]

1. That’s pretty uncommon to not have functioning hands so using that as a reason to keep feet doesn’t make sense since it affects such a small amount of the community.

Keeping Feet for the sake of disabled cubers is one of the weaker arguments for keeping Feet, but it’s a valid one. I personally know one cuber who because of a congenital condition only has one fully functional hand. He could compete in OH on a level playing field, but why limit him to one event? (You could make a case for FMC, too.)

2. If you have a disability you can talk to your delegate and they can make accommodations. They could likely get permission to do events with their feet.

Of course you could, the same way that if you have prosthetic legs you can still run a marathon, but most major marathons have wheelchair divisions, most competitions of any kind that are open to the public to compete have some division for people who are unable to compete on a level field. There is no good reason for cubing to be different in that respect.

3. Before any “but they can’t compete on the same level as everyone else”, oh well. If we had to make an event to give everyone will disabilities “equal” conditions then it would be a mess.

To make everyone equal would be a mess. Providing some reasonable accommodations is not.

IMO the argument for Feet from access for disabled individuals is not a strong enough argument in itself to add feet as a new event, but it is strong enough to keep the event and added to the other arguments for keeping Feet it adds to an already very strong argument.

 

[Underwatercuber]

Keeping Feet for the sake of disabled cubers is one of the weaker arguments for keeping Feet, but it’s a valid one. I personally know one cuber who because of a congenital condition only has one fully functional hand. He could compete in OH on a level playing field, but why limit him to one event? (You could make a case for FMC, too.)


Of course you could, the same way that if you have prosthetic legs you can still run a marathon, but most major marathons have wheelchair divisions, most competitions of any kind that are open to the public to compete have some division for people who are unable to compete on a level field. There is no good reason for cubing to be different in that respect.


To make everyone equal would be a mess. Providing some reasonable accommodations is not.

IMO the argument for Feet from access for disabled individuals is not a strong enough argument in itself to add feet as a new event, but it is strong enough to keep the event and added to the other arguments for keeping Feet it adds to an already very strong argument.

1. Yes a weak argument
2. Cubing has differing events but not divisions.
3. Pretty subjective to say that and other weak arguments provide a strong argument together but sure

 

[AlphaCuber is awesome]

1. Yes a weak argument
2. Cubing has differing events but not divisions.
3. Pretty subjective to say that and other weak arguments provide a strong argument together but sure

did he say the other arguments were weak? no
and even if he did multiple weak arguments kind of do add up to make an overall strong argument

 

[Underwatercuber]

did he say the other arguments were weak? no
and even if he did multiple weak arguments kind of do add up to make an overall strong argument

Most of the arguments for keeping feet are pretty weak, just an opinion. Those arguments together are still overall weak, also an opinion.

 

[One Wheel]

Most of the arguments for keeping feet are pretty weak, just an opinion. Those arguments together are still overall weak, also an opinion.

Arguments for changing the event list should be very strong. Arguments for keeping it the same should not need to be nearly as strong.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Most of the arguments for keeping feet are pretty weak, just an opinion. Those arguments together are still overall weak, also an opinion.

Most of the arguments for removing feet as an event are pretty weak, just an opinion. Those arguments together are still overall weak, also an opinion.

 

[GAN 356 X]

 

[fortissim2]

I personally think solving a 3x3x3 with feet is incredibly silly. So I have no problems with it being removed.

But it's pretty sad for people who are good at it that it's getting removed.

How about we add 2x2x2 OH instead and put the Rubik's Magic back, but instead of just going from solved state A to solved state B, it actually gets scrambled into a random state and people have to solve it that way?

I don't think 2x2x2 OH should be a WCA event because it's already stupid enough, but a scrambled Rubik's Magic might be a good idea. A problem with that though is that you can't really put notation to it because of the way the Rubik's Magic is designed.

 

[cubeshepherd]

So although this link: https://github.com/thewca/wca-regulations/issues/857 is intended for the idea of creating Tiers for events in the WCA, most of the talk in that link is related to 3x3 FT and if it should be relegated to a class 2 tier or be removed altogether, and as you will see several people think that having tiers at all make no sense at all.