How to be sub 20

BeastofBeasts said:
Hello! I am very new to cubing. With my current 3x3x3, I average three minutes. I use the CFOP method, along with an old Rubik's brand cube. I have all algorithms memorized, but I cannot finger trick yet (it is because of the cube). I have a Zhanchi coming soon. Can someone give me some tips to at least get my average sub-minute?
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Hi, if you start using a ZhanChi you should naturally get faster if you practice, practice is all it really is but you definitely will need to learn finger tricks.

Do you know F2L all OLLs and PLLs?
 
How to get sub-20 in 3x3 help?

I have been stuck in the 22-23 avg stage for almost 6 months.Now i am getting sub 20 solves but not avg.i think the problem is in F2L as i take almost 15 secs for it.How do i increase my speed? :(
 
what kind of answer do people except from this thread? like some magical tip that will make them rech their goal in 2 days or something? go practice like everyone else lol.
 
Practice, try to identify weaknesses instead of just solving and actually look at what faster people are doing differently and try to adopt things from them.
Read this thread http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...-to-Get-Faster-using-the-Fridrich-CFOP-Method
Wait for the how to get fast at 3x3 vid to come out.
The answer for how to be sub x can be found all over the forum. What you need is to change something about your solving to address your weaknesses. A 15 second F2L can still get you sub 20 if you develop a good LL. Drilling LL algs until you can get them around 2-3 seconds easily is one way. Looking at example solves for new tricks in the F2L is another thing anybody at any level can do to improve F2L.
 
Seriously, slow down and look ahead. If that doesn't work, speed up a little bit (but not too much), and try to go as fast as possible with no pauses in F2L. Learn full PLL and some of the easy OLLs (about half of them are very easy, but still learn them slowly). Look for algorithms both on the wiki, other websites, and in reconstructions for your slower F2L cases. Drill all algs, and try to get them all under a certain speed. Remember to look on several websites to find good algs for you. Search the forums and the wiki. There's easily enough information on both on how to improve. You shouldn't need to ask for help here unless you can't find anything; since I joined the forums my progress has slowed significantly. Definitely use the forums, but if it's speed you're interested in then don't post on the forums that much. Use the forums as a resource.
 
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is sub 20 sub 20 minutes or sub 20 seconds because if it is sub 20 minutes I am in there but if it is sub 20 seconds I am not. I can solve a 3x3 with LBL in just a few minutes(longer for the last layer but still like 5-10 minutes) which I think is good for someone just starting to get color neutral and hasn't done intermediate(like Fredrik) or advanced methods and has tried other begginer methods but can't do them(even tried the one with only the sexy move to solve the whole cube. You have to do that lots of times to solve it(thus the sexy move is considered to be one of those high order algorithms))
 
caters said:
is sub 20 sub 20 minutes or sub 20 seconds because if it is sub 20 minutes I am in there but if it is sub 20 seconds I am not. I can solve a 3x3 with LBL in just a few minutes(longer for the last layer but still like 5-10 minutes) which I think is good for someone just starting to get color neutral and hasn't done intermediate(like Fredrik) or advanced methods and has tried other begginer methods but can't do them(even tried the one with only the sexy move to solve the whole cube. You have to do that lots of times to solve it(thus the sexy move is considered to be one of those high order algorithms))
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I don't know who you are, or if you're trolling. But for god's sake learn proper English. Sub 20 usually refers to sub 20 seconds. 5-10 minutes is not considered fast, even with the beginners method and CN. Sorry bro. Just learn CFOP already.
 
It might be too hard for me and how is time going to improve with that. I mean some people practice CFOP for a longtime and don't get past the minimum I am at in LBL(especially if they are still learning OLL and PLL algorithms. Some people get sub 20 with LBL. You see what I mean?
 
I'm almost certain the people sub -20 with LBL don't actually use LBL. Not only that, it takes a ridiculous amount of work to get there with LBL.
CFOP takes a heck of a lot less brain power than other methods, but it doesn't matter because the entire solve eventually becomes somewhat unconcious. Learning CFOP ain't hard.

If you want to use your logic, you can get sub 20 with triangular francisco as well, and just because people can be slow at CFOP(doubt to the lengths that you describe), doesn't mean that everybody should switch to triangular francisco and the belt method.

Learning CFOP is easy peasy with 4LLL. If you can't do it, that means you aren't putting enough time in.

sorry for feeding the troll
 
caters said:
It might be too hard for me and how is time going to improve with that. I mean some people practice CFOP for a longtime and don't get past the minimum I am at in LBL(especially if they are still learning OLL and PLL algorithms. Some people get sub 20 with LBL. You see what I mean?
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i don't think anyone gets sub 20 LBL without being significantly better at another method.
 
caters said:
It might be too hard for me and how is time going to improve with that. I mean some people practice CFOP for a longtime and don't get past the minimum I am at in LBL(especially if they are still learning OLL and PLL algorithms. Some people get sub 20 with LBL. You see what I mean?
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CFOP is fairly easy. And MUCH faster.
 
caters said:
It might be too hard for me and how is time going to improve with that. I mean some people practice CFOP for a longtime and don't get past the minimum I am at in LBL(especially if they are still learning OLL and PLL algorithms. Some people get sub 20 with LBL. You see what I mean?
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No. I average sub 12 with CFOP, and I can't always sub 20 consistently with beginners.
 
i average around 25 second with cfop
and my avg with layer by layer(not begginers) is ~31
sooo
i suck at f2l
 
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