Should stickerless cubes be allowed in WCA competition?

[mdolszak]

For blindfold solving, it seems just as bad as during normal solving. In BLD when you are looking to examine it, that honestly seems like it would be more useful to try and look at the back colors by looking over the edge than during a speed solve.

It does not make sense that they would be allowed forBLD but not speed solving.

You can't turn any faces while memorizing during BLD.

 

[Shamankian]

But I would guess it isn't a turn untill it's turned >45 degrees?

 

[mdolszak]

But I would guess it isn't a turn untill it's turned >45 degrees?

Valid point (if that's true), but don't you think it's faster to just rotate the cube and see a whole face than to keep doing and undoing 40 degree turns just to see one half of a piece?

 

[cubernya]

But I would guess it isn't a turn untill it's turned >45 degrees?

I'm 100% positive the main judge would DNF you if they saw you constantly 45 degree turns during BLD memo (stickerless or not)

 

[drewsopchak]

I'm 100% positive the main judge would DNF you if they saw you constantly 45 degree turns during BLD memo (stickerless or not)

Certainly not! The regulations effectively define a turn as more than 45 degrees.

 

[Hunter]

I didn't say turn...I am looking at my colored 2x2 and thinking about lifting my head slightly and seeing the tiniest line of blue on the back...



@mdolszak...This is true. I believe it would be faster to just rotate the cube a little bit than doing a 45* turn. That also applies to speed solves....you can do a slower turn and see half of one piece, or do a half cube rotation and see 9 times the pieces.

 

[Roberto Vazquez]

It is allowed in BLD

I'm new to this, didn't know that xD

 

[Hunter]

The people who want magics back did one, so I decided to, also.

A petition for stickerless cubes. Please sign if you are tired of stickers!

Feel free to post this around.

http://www.change.org/petitions/world-cube-association-allow-stickerless-cubes-in-competitions#

 

[Godmil]

Certainly not! The regulations effectively define a turn as more than 45 degrees.

I'm not sure that's the case. When determining the final state of a cube the 45 degree rule comes into effect, but I'm pretty sure any deliberate rotation of a face (even if it's just 20 degrees) would be seen as "turning" it. I'm pretty sure a judge would come down on you if you during a BLD (or normal) inspection if you deliberately made any face rotations.

 

[stoic]

lets say stickerless cubes stay illeagal until the point when 2/3rds of the competitors are using the ShengShou 7x7 and 1/3 are using the V-cube 7 which is still legal.
At this point, an illegal cube (V-Cube 7) is now legal due to the fact that there are not many cubic 7x7s, even after they are outnumbered 2 to 1 to cubic cubes.


Many people use Dayan guhongs, zhanchis, lingyuns, and most likely will use the new Dayan 6. All those cubes are available in white, black, and stickerless. That means, the most popular brand has 1/3 of its cubes stickerless.
If this happened, 1/3 of 7x7s are illeagal because they are pillowed, but the rules were changed to let them compete, and 1/3 of all 3x3s are illegal because they are stickerless. Why would we not have stickerless legal?

These are not the same point. Just because 1/3 of the DaYan range is stickerless does not mean 1/3 of all their cubes are. I have about 8 3x3s but only one stickerless.

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

I noticed a few people earlier in the thread trying to argue they should be banned since it goes against the 'intended concept' of the puzzle or something similar, I forget the exact working. Did anyone ever back this up with the opinion of the original inventor? I don't think they did, and if they didn't then the argument doesn't actually count for anything.

 

[Hunter]

It does not even make any sense. If there are stickers or colored plastic I cant see how it could at all be a change in the 'intended concept' of a rubiks cube.

 

[Endgame]

The people who want magics back did one, so I decided to, also.

The people who want Magics back did one because they can't accept the wind of change. Don't open this petition with the same mindset because it sounds stupid.

 

[elcuber]

The rules say:3h) No modifications are allowed that enhance the basic concept of a puzzle and blah blah. The colored cube is in its original state, isn't it?

 

[Daniel Wu]

The rules say:3h) No modifications are allowed that enhance the basic concept of a puzzle and blah blah. The colored cube is in its original state, isn't it?

However the rules also say:

3d) Puzzles must either have coloured stickers, coloured tiles, textures or painted colours.

 

[MarcelP]

A petition for stickerless cubes. Please sign if you are tired of stickers!

Feel free to post this around.

http://www.change.org/petitions/world-cube-association-allow-stickerless-cubes-in-competitions#

Thanks. I just signed it.

 

[oll+phase+sync]

The people who want magics back did one, so I decided to, also.

A petition for stickerless cubes. Please sign if you are tired of stickers!

Feel free to post this around.

http://www.change.org/petitions/world-cube-association-allow-stickerless-cubes-in-competitions#

1. petition is great.

2. I wan't all competitive swimmers to be naked, because the clothes makes them swim faster. (women only is fine, too).

 

[Godmil]

Did anyone ever back this up with the opinion of the original inventor?

What do you think Ernő Rubik's opinion is on Dayan cubes?
I'm guessing he's not a fan

 

[Kirjava]

The rules say:3h) No modifications are allowed that enhance the basic concept of a puzzle and blah blah. The colored cube is in its original state, isn't it?

No, you're misinterpreting the idea of that rule.

 

[Cubenovice]

WCA Regulations:
3d) Puzzles must either have coloured stickers, coloured tiles, textures or painted colours.

Textures would allow you to feel the "color" of non visual pieces.
If this is allowed then surely stickerless cubes could be allowed